Talk:Accelerator/@comment-24458031-20141221030140/@comment-5230978-20141224131659

''You're completely misinterpreted my point here. I will try to make it as clear as possible, if you don't get my point then this debate is going nowhere.''

Dude, I undestrood your point very well, but if you can't properly read and still act in a Saint Thomas way, you can blame only yourself. And weren't you supposed to have finished with this discussion?

''Sure, when Acceleration reflects Vector, he reflects magnitude and direction but while that's how his ability works, what is the best thing reflection ever did? Middle finger to a nuclear missile. That's it. Beyond that is Vector Control. Reflection while more effective, is vastly inferior to Vector control.'' This is really sad to read. Are you thinking that VC is better because it has more applications? No matter how many stuff it can do it has much more limits than reflection and it's less effective. Think about Accel using vectrol control to manipulate electrons in vol 5: despite having his full calc. ability it required so many of it that he wasn't able to use reflection. Now think about vol 15: with less than half of his calc. ability he reflected Drak Matter (an elementary particle, so smaller than electrons, from another world). What is better between a sniper bullet that always hit and kill the target or a nuclear warhead that could miss the target, be prevented from exploding, and easily break? Effectiveness is the most important thing in an ability or a weapon. And reflection can reflect more than just nuclear missiles. Don't make me explain things from the beginning.

Vector control allows Accelerator to block Gabriel's attack and Fiamma's attack, with the latter can destroy Eurasia continent.

You showed to have disastrous knowledge about he series, so why do you keep grasping at it when you know that it won't lead you anywhere? Accel blocked Misha wings with reflection alone and the Sweep using reflection combined with VC. He then struck the Telesma mass from the Star of Bethlehem with brute force and speed (thoguh we don't know what he exactly did after that) and he didn't use vector control for usinf them but his awakening inexplicable power, and while awakened Accel was never able to consciously use vector control for unknown reasons. Remember that vectrol control can do nothing on a such great amount of telesma, as Accel can't apply his ability to magic.

''White Wing Accelerator is stronger than BW and Normal Accel to an unknown extent, does that means we can jump from continential to planet? No.''

What you don't get is that the continental level magical destruction can't be considered the actual limit of WW Accel at all. Let's start with Accel being severly injured from the previous events. He then awakend, charged at the telesma mass, and clased with it. He later woke up on a hill without knowing what happened after he had hit the mass. The only sure thing is he was not knocked out by the mass, as it would have destroyed Eurasia. Plus, if he simply restrained the mass with strenght alone he wouldn't have problem in remembering what he did. Now, when Accel is unable to undestand what he have done and to remember things well? When the "angelic nature" (that's not the correct term, but whatever) awakens and he is able to prefectly use the inexplicable power of his awakening (vol 13, 15, 19). And do we know what happened to the telesma mass? No, so everyhting could have happened to it like blasted away, deviated, sealed, or even absorbed as we don't have any idea of what Accel can do while awakened and what limits he has. So, he was injured, was not defeated by the telesma mass, and we don't know what he did to it. Do you really want to use that episode as a standard limit for WW Accel. It's absolutely ridiculous. As we don't know what awakened Accel can actually do and his power extent his unkown the possibility, because that's what I am talking about, of him being able to resist planet level magical destruction can't be excluded, neither by me nor by a stubborn guy with poor understanding of the series, and of Accel's abilities above all.

''I get what your example means but you misunderstand my point. What I said is AT THE CURRENT MOMENT, did Accel reflects any planet-destruction attack yet? Not with the newest NT vol. It's called speculation because it is still a POSSIBILITY, it could be happened now or never, would you said "parallel universes DO exist" or you only said "parallel universes MIGHT exist"? As long as it is a possibility, it's speculation.''

Come on, you fill your mouth with physical knowledge and then you say something like that? Do scientists need to see an event to actually understand if it can actually happen? Even if direct observation can provide more informations, they just have to understand how the things involved works to know if something can be done or not. We know what vectors are and how they work and we (minus you) know how Accel ability, especially the reflection, works (I also thoroughly explained it to you but you completely ignored me), therefore there is no need to actually see an application to know it's actually achievable (maybe only the extent for the VC, as it has a lot of limits, but that's all).

''What do I mean when I said "Accelerator can't block a planet-destruction attack"? When I say that, I mean "at the current moment, Accelerator can't block a planet-destruction attack". I do not cast aside the possibility Accelerator can't block a planet-destruction but that is depend on the future. At present? Accelerator sells to no shit to continential-scale attacks because it's already HAPPENED, beyond that is speculation because they are POSSIBILITIES.''

Already explained you why normal Accel can actually reflect planet level physical destruction and why WW Accel could actually be able to do the same with magical planet destruction. The first is a truth implied by the very working of reflection and physical vectors, the latter is a possibility, not a future one, but an actual one. I don't exactly know what you are trying to prove, but the more you write the less you are reaching you goal, as it is linked to you being right, which you are not. Your pathetically childish stubborness and Saint Thomas mentality are blinding you and preventing you to understand how Accel's ability really works, making your common physical knowledge useless.