Talk:Accelerator/@comment-24458031-20141221030140/@comment-5230978-20141221174456

Here is author-made power chart.

http://i.imgur.com/1AhleSW.jpg

Are you serious? That's fan-made, plus that's old and unaccurate.

Slowed the Earth down is Black Wing Accelerator with some support devices that enhanced his calculation speed.

Seriously, you need to reread vol 13 or rewatch Index II ep 21. And enhancing speed calculation devices? There is nothing like that and hopefully there will never be. The chocker allows Accel to connect with Misaka Network but the calculation ability it provides is less than Accel's original one. Your knowledge of the series is even more disastrous than the planet-busting events we are discussing about.

''What I means is while White Wing Accelerator > Black Wing Accelerator, he hasn't shown anything beyond continential-scale yet. Not yet. I'm still waiting for it.''

Normal Accel rotational attack is continental scale > BW Accel is far stronger and has an inexplicable power that goes beyond physics so he is beyond continental level to an unknwon extent > WW Accel is stronger than BW Accel.

''Vector is magnitude and direction, calculating the direction is easy but if the magnitude is too large, Accelerator's calculation speed won't able to keep it up. That's why until Accelerator did something as reflects a planet-destruction attack, it's all speculation.''

That's why I said that you should restudy how Accel's reflection works. Accel power is always active (when nerfed it is as long as the batteries last) and so is the reflection, even when he is sleeping. The calculation for the reflection aren't made consciously but unconsciously, that's why he can reflect even while sleeping and when he is not aware of an attack (and therefore unable to actively analyze and calculate its vectors). But reflection doesn't reflect direction alone but even magnitude. What does this imply? Pretty simple: all the value were already calculated beforehand and "input" in the calculation of the reflection's filter. Before you give false accuse of specualtion, what I'm saying is actually exemplified during Accel fight with Kakine when Accel included Dark Matter's values in the algorithm of the world, which includes all the known physical laws of the universe, he uses for his calculations. Knowing all the physical laws you can also calculate all the vectorial values which could happen and "input" them in the calculation if you have a powerful enough calculation device, which Accel's brain is. Let's not forget that Dark Matter's values Accel calculated are 25,000 different types of energy which don't exist in this world and that he did it with less than half of his original calculation ability while using reflection, his tornado wings (wind manipulation requires a lot of concentration), and vectrol control to both equally fight Kakine and protect bystanders by their fight's aftereffects.

I did said Normal Accelerator doesn't give a damn to nukes before.

And I did said that you should reread the novel because that's entirely wrong.

''The amount of destruction he can take and bring has to do with each other, they are result of his Vector Manipulation and have magnitudes. His Vector can be used for offensive and defensive last time I check so the amount of destruction he can take and bring is the same. The word "Magnitudes" is the key here.''

Another proof that you didn't understand the mechanics of Accel ability at all. I don't really know what you checked, because it clearly wasn't the novel. Vectors have magnitude, but it was never stated tha Accel ability has too. It's a vector manipualtion ability not a vector itself. It surely has limits but his defensive and offensive aspects' limits are different. You said "magnitudes" is the key but that's incorrect. "Complexity" is the key. Reflection is a passive aspect which has a filter with preset values and can be maintained through unconscious calculations. Vector control is active and need conscious calculations to be maintained, which are much more complex that reflection's calculations. But what require more calculation is using the power to actively manipulate vectors (much more complex task than reflecting preset vectors) and not the calculation of said vectors (though this changes when he needs to calculate the vectors of complex moving objects, which recquires chaos theory), so there are limits to how many and how great vector-having objects he can manipulate. Also, the vector control requires Accel to touch the vectors so there is a range limit, but reflection entirely covers Accel's body, independently by the range of scale of the attack. It's clear from the beginning of the series, that the defensive aspects of the Accelerator ability is more efficient and has less limits (without involving magic) than the vector control.

''I would not rather buy character statement until something weaker than them can do the same, and how the planet is going to be "destroyed" is vague. Burning an entire planet's surface still counted as "destroyed" it though a real planet-destruction event would be reduced the planet to space rubbles.''

No, seriously, you are grasping at straws here. The examples I gave are about destruction of the planet, like destruction destruction, and not just planet surface destruction or the like.

Again, Black Wing Accelerator slowed the Earth down for 5 minutes and he is vastly more powerful than Normal Accelerator so Normal Accelerator can't do something on that level let alone taking a planet-buster to face.

Again, reread novel 13 or rewatch Index II ep 22.

''I don't cast the possibility White Wing Accelerator can survived a planet-destruction event, BUT if only he or weaker people than him did it first. Otherwise, saying Accelerator can survived planet-destruction level events when people weaker than him haven't able to do that is pure speculation and has nothing to support it.''

Then I'll use the parallel universes/dimensions example again. Have we actually discovered their existence? No. But it doesn't mean they can't exist. I didn't say WW Accel can survive a magical attack able to destroy a planet, but thet it could be possible as we don't know his true power and limits at all.