Talk:Kakine Teitoku/@comment-24007030-20140728023821/@comment-5230978-20140819151251

Either my memory is wrong or you should reread epilogue vol.16, because s far as i know therevwas the third hand which stopped the spell, fiamma talked and Than the building was destroyed....

From vol 16:

" An explosion was heard. It was not that anything special occurred, but that nothing changed. The surrounding space suddenly began to tremble with a strange noise, like being inside a large container and watching the box implode due to an external force.

''"All the Apostles, from the First to the Twelve who believe in the same God, Thou shall overflow me with strength, thou shall understand the intent of Man, and thou shall plead for power to crush the enemy." ''

''Numerous lights danced about in the air. They were merely orbs of light, but there seemed to be inverted crosses or seashells inside them which gave a completely different image. These lights of unique significance surrounded Fiamma, and flat surfaces formed between them like patterns on a soccer ball, sealing his body tightly. ''

''At this moment, a whistle could be heard coming from Fiamma, who was completely surrounded. It was his voice. ''

''"So you used the symbol of the Son of God and the Twelve Apostles? Impressive. However, how can the Pope employ the sign of the traitor Judas?" ''

''"Don't be mistaken. It's true Judas betrayed God by betraying His Son, but the one thing which called Judas to be an Apostle was God's mercy, understanding, and love. It's easy to bury someone you hate, but God's true intention is to guide humanity against this impulse." ''

''An explosion resounded through the structure. ''

''A restraining spell created a thirteen-sided object around Fiamma, not only restraining Fiamma's actions physically but also separating his flesh from his soul. He was trapped in a "woundless bind"; nothing more than a hollow existence. ''

''"After Judas' betrayal, he hung himself due to the immense guilt he felt. His feelings were the darkest, coldest, deepest, and most painful ever felt; no matter where he looked, he could see no sign of hope. Remember this is what you're going to experience forever." ''

''Fiamma could hear nothing, but the Pope's mouth was still moving. ''

''"From this moment forth, you shall be bound for forty years. Sample the 'loneliness created by oneself' that Judas experienced, and correct that immature soul of yours." ''

''Inside the thirteen-sided object, standing in stupor, Fiamma's lips give a slight twitch. The sign of final resistance he was making with all his strength. ''

''"Give up. I am the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church. The power I wield now is the Holy power of two billion followers passed down through two thousand years of history. It is not something that can be destroyed by just one person." ''

''In addition to this, the Basilica di San Pietro was the largest and highest stronghold of the old power. Combined with the power of the Vatican, these things could be said to be powerful spiritual items that could increase the Pope's strength. ''

''At that moment Fiamma's voice was heard, "Hmph." ''

''The Pope expression twisted into one of shock. This was not something someone who had been bound by such a spell should be capable of. ''

''Fiamma's voice adopted a light tone, "How pitiful... just two billion followers? Only two thousand years of history?" ''

''The world disappeared. ''

''The Pope barely managed to see the thing which appeared on Fiamma's right shoulder, alongside a bright light from his eyes, because the very next moment his vision was engulfed by empty whiteness and a violent storm destroyed his surroundings. Like an unstoppable tornado the storm exploded outwards, destroying one-third of St. Peter's Basilica from the inside-out. ''"

But, after she reached a certain point she showed a ability outside of her esperpowers, this is a connection similar to accel and kakine,

Exactly, '''she used a power. '''Accel gained an unexpalinable power, but it wasn't Dark Matter as Kakine is unable to understand it. The only things wich are confirmed to be made Dark Matter in Accel's awakening are the wings, integral part and symbol of the transformation like for Kakine. Mikoto doesn't have any of this the only things which we can find even in Accel awakening (the white one) is the halo, another symbol of the angelic-like position achieved, but for both the halos the material is actually unknown.

The reason why i believe that the black ball is made out of dark matter is because every information can be interpreted into that direction, i didnt find one fact which would weaken this theory, even if everything i have is pure speculation, i cant find another way to see the black ball •_•

A speculation based on other specualtions and so on doesn't really sound the most realistic hypothesis, especially with the differences I showed you with what the novel says and implies. In my previous posts I gave you reasonable explanations about  the elements of your specualtion other than those leading to your conclusion, so if say the sphere being made of DM is the only way it means you didn't pay attention to what I wrote. As said above, when awakened Accel has a different power. In addition he can use it's power at distance so even the normal esper ability is power-upped. Mikoto black sphere could ahve just been created by an unexplainable power like that of Accel (not the same of course). Is this explanation more illogical and more specualtion-based than the other?

btw, i think the black ball is made out of DM because it seems to be similar with the black wings, and the black wings are made out of DM (+ aim)

When transformed, Mikoto used black lightnings. Are these of DM too because they are black like Accel wings? Don't forget that Accel's wing can cahnce color and the composition should be the same. If the sphere was white would you have said it was made of Dark Matter like Accel white wings? Only because they have the same colour it doesn't immediately mean they are made of the same matter or energy.

PS: even if only accels black wings are confirmed to consist out of dark matter, i think kakines are too, afterall his DM-wings growed and started to glow, it is the possibility with the highest chance *_*

And the logical connection between AIM and Kakine's Dark Matter wings glowing and growing is?