Talk:Kamijou Touma/Abilities and Powers/@comment-3969505-20140830211054/@comment-5230978-20140903120600

''"devouring" like in: letting it vanish, correct? well, except that IB makes a PING and the dragon makes a ROAR there isnt a difference, both negated the supernatural force....''

Ridiculous. Biting, ripping and devouring is totally different from making something vanish after a single touch. Try to think about that scene with an animal or a human too instead of supernatural power. These are completely different actions. And you also think that the dragons/IT are a stronger version of IB so their negation ability should be far greater, but not only the sphere didn't vanish after they touched it (not even small areas around the touched points did), it also took several attacks before destroying the sphere.

IT redirected AND weakened the attack of fiamma (because it was a attack which could destroy a planet and after redirecting it destroyed walls) somethig which IB already showed in accel vs touma #2...

1) IT didn't redirected Fiamma's attack, it cut it in two (from vol 22:"In fact, the great swirl of light Fiamma had fired had split in two right in front of the boy and scattered to either side of him. Yet that attack had held such power that it could blow away a planet or recreate any of the legends in Christianity."). 2) IT is a power greater than IB and LPSaD and if you think that it is a stronger negating power, how can you believe that it redirected Fiamma's attack instead of negating it? You are contradicting yourself. Oh, and vol 22 says "It seemed that not just Imagine Breaker resided in that boy’s body. Just the ability to negate supernatural powers was not enough to shake Fiamma’s heart that greatly and to put him on his guard to that extent." 3) Touma didn't scatter Accel wings, he just deviated them. Wrong example.

''Othinus is a special case, her whole body isnt even really human anymore, like thefact that she doesnt age... similar to ladylee or cendrillon or mijölnir, her body changed and isnt purely narutal, furthermore, it is possible that her magic god powers allowed her to grab the IT and smash it...''

And here you contraddict yourself again. You think that IT and the Dragons are the same thing, right? Then how can you say that she is a special case when the dragon attacked Aureolus too? And if the IT and the dragons are different things, then Othinus would be the only example of someone attack by IT. The only known example. You can't label something as an exception without having a rule to break.

never said it was a stable theroy, i only wanted to point out that your counter-argument didnt "disprove" it :)

At least my point had a basis whereas yours was completely made up.

Actually: If i hae someone who has the ability to fire a bullet directly into my head and as long as this someone doesnt com to a button with which he could fire a atom bomb, i would be more scared about the bullet...

I probably used the wrong word. I mean that Othinus was interested to IB as a means to return to her world and not IT. She didn't even tried to cut his arm to make the it appear in NT9. Not only that, she was also disappointed by the actual level of "evolution" of IT in NT4, judging it just by "openng the lid", showing that her understanding of IT is nothing to laugh at.

But your argumant with othinus was good enough, i dont know with fiamma (did he ever say anything about IB travelling?)

Of course he know. IB traveled from Touma's right hand absorbed by his Third Arm to the new Touma's right hand and he was also the first to talk about IB tranferring.

''Nope, it is exactly the same thing which happens to the magical stuff which is touched by IB... it breaks apart, like the pastel chalk of sherry, was the pastel chalk supernatural? i think it was a normal chalk until the spell was involved and "turned" it supernatural, than it was destroyed,''

I beg you, tell me that you are joking because I can't believe you are talking seriously. Just how much strong do you think a chalk pastel is? A good punch is moooore than enough to destroy it. And don't forget that a lot of magicians have magical objects which look exactly like normal ones (the most recent example are Sasha's torture weapons, negated by Touma in NT10).

''the same happened to ars magna, you can read how what ars magnas core/medium is, it recreates the world in the mind of the magician, and where should this be stored? i would assume it is the memory-section...''

It seems you have no idea about how Ars Manga and IB work. Ars Manga only reproduce what its user thinks in the very moment they think it. Memory has nothing to do with Ars Magna. And the thought is just the print of what the user want to produce, the core of the spell are the students forced to use the Gregorian Chant replica, similarly to Stiyl's rune cards for Innocentius. And IB CAN'T negate natural things, even kids know it, so if IT/dragon were a stronger IB they can't too, unless you want to say that they are an IB which can affect natural things but this way not only the dragon would have negated something which wasn't the core, you would also contradict (again) your statement about them never harming anyone (because erasing someone's memory is a harm, be aware of that) and above that I already showed you that neither IT nor the Dragons negated supernatural powers.