Talk:Kamijou Touma/@comment-69.125.93.79-20150119161334/@comment-5230978-20150122001837

^^''i think kamachi can simply make the same thing as he did with touma... he simply needs to let them survive with the RPG-explanation until they defeat a majin, since NT9/10, i believe that he could even give last order a "logical" way to beat a majin -_-''

That would be the worst expedient the author could use. The way Touma was able to fight Othinus is something you can use only once in a series if you are wise. Not only repeating it would deprive it of its "originality", but it would be poor on a literal standpoint. There was a valid reason for Othinus to revive Touma, but how could all Majins have a reason to let Kamijou Faction's members live? Even if Kamachi could find logical reasons, it would be nothing but abusing the same method used for letting Touma fight an opponent far stronger than him on other characters. It would have made much more sense to have weaker enemies to fight. Not to mention that is unlikely other KF's members are be able to endure the same mental strain Touma suffered, not even Accel, who already mentally broke almost twice in the series. Also, that cycle of life and death wasn't only meant to give Touma a chance to fight, but even to let him and Othinus understand each others and reach better self-realizations, so it wasn't a mere survival method.

''btw, kamina, isnt accels "awakening"-mode still incomplete? afterall this is his "evolving" into a Lvl6 which would mean that if he "masters" this power he should have already reached Lvl6 :/''

Not really. Vol 3 implies the concept of espers, awakened espers, and Level 6 is based on the cabbalistic positions of humans, angels, and god, where those belonging to one territory aren't able to understand and reach those of another. In the same way, just because an esper fully masters their espers abilty they will not reach the awakening or master its power as becoming stronger is not the way to achieve it, and the same for awakened espers and Level 6.

''PS: and, Lvl6 isnt the "last" thing we should expect... aleister said it himself, he could "force" a Lvl6-shift with LO,accel and kazakiri but he needs to go beyond that...''

You misread that part as Aleister doesn't say he could force a Level 6 shift with Accel, LO, and Kazakiri. What transpires from the dialogue between Aleister and Heaven Canceller is that the trinity formed by Accel, LO, and Kazakiri is actually the Level 6. We have further confirmation of this with Gensei's Level 6 shift attempt on Mikoto, where he uses a Level 5, the Misaka Network combined with something else and AIM, given it's onmipresence in Academy City and the large number of it's applications, is the most probable and reasonable option.

this would imply that his "goal" isnt Lvl6 and therefore it could "show up" in the magic god arc

Yes, he want to go beyond Level 6, but Level 6, or rather Accel as he is the one Aleister plans to use for his plan, is still one of the main and final piece of the plan along with Touma and his powers, so it's unlikely he will proceed with the creation of a Level 6 before Touma will be ready to be used too, which is most likely to happen in the final saga. That's the typical modus operandi of meticulous main villains, and Aleister is the most step-following and perfectionist one of this series and one of the most in Japanese series.

(afterall i could imagine a Lvl6-being (maybe accel (maybe a temporary "forced" Lvl-up)) defeats 3 majins

We don't even know if Level 6 will be on the same level of a single Majin, so how can you say it could defeat even 3?

and the other 2 (or so) will than fight against the world

There are more than 5 Majins in Gremlin. Four already appeared, two were mentioned, and more have to be shown.

^I would love if they explained more about it/drags this arc.

Do you mean the next volume's arc or the next saga? Because if it's the first it would make more sense to have more explanation about IB as there's still a lot to know about it.

Do you guys think it's on par with magic Gods and level 6?

Maybe IT or/and the dragons are weaker than Majins and Level 6 or even on par with them, but I'm sure at least IT will be stronger as it's implied to evolve.

Maybe more info on what aliester is since he seems to be stronger than all of them.

As Gremlin injured him and they are still alive after the fight (though some of them could have died), Aleister is definitely not stronger than all of them.