Talk:Shirai Kuroko/@comment-150.143.138.18-20190323013736/@comment-25431873-20201008230816

The entire series started with his enormous hero complex.

Yet more proof that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. No, the series didn't start with a "hero complex", it's actually quite the opposite and that fact is the entire point of the first arc.

Pre-amnesia Touma is a dude who constantly says and thinks that his power is useless and can't do anything. After Index quite literally falls onto his balcony (wow, events dragging him into them and not him seeking them out, another case against your version of things!), she point blank asks Touma if he would be willing "follow me to the depths of hell" to save/help her. Do you know what Touma does? He doesn't "jumps into it without a second thought". He hesitates and doesn't respond because he is left speechless, and can only let Index leaves his appartment and doesn't follow her.

This eats at him all day and he feels guilty about it. Then he comes back to his appartement and finds her in her pool of her own blood, ratcheting up the guilt especially when Stiyl says that her Walking Church should have protected her, but Touma's own power negated that, and when he realizes she came back for her headdress that he saw and purposely left in his room in the selfish hope that Index comes back.

So he tries to help her afterwards to assuage his guilt, fighting Stiyl and bringing her to Komoe's. Then he learns about her memory loss and Stiyl asks him point blank what does he think he can do, and Touma can't find an answer and thinks he can't do nothing:

''“When that girl is suffering before your very eyes, can you take this from her!? If you believe so much in your own power, then negate it, oh mutant who thinks he’s a hero!”''

Kamijou stared.

''He looked at the cross swaying before his eyes. He looked at the abominable cross that could rob people of their memories.''

''As Stiyl had said, he could stop the deletion of Index’s memories if he took that from him. It was nothing difficult. He just had to reach out his hand and lightly touch it with the tips of his fingers.''

''That was all. It should have been so easy. Kamijou clenched his trembling right hand until it was as hard as rock.''

But he could not do it.

''For the moment, magic was the one safe and surefire way to save Index. How could he take that from the girl who was suffering and putting up with it all?''

He simply could not.

[...]

(Just accept that you, Kamijou Touma, have neither the power nor the right to save Index!)

Where is the hero complex again?

When Komoe-sensei tells him the using up all of your brain is impossible and realizes that Index has been lied to, for the very first time he realizes he can actually save her and that, for once, his power he thought was useless can actually do something good, and finally, after much angst, accepts that he can be Index's hero here:

–When that girl is suffering before your very eyes, can you take this from her!? If you believe so much in your own power, then negate it, oh mutant who thinks he’s a hero!

Kamijou gave a slight smile at the words that Stiyl had beaten him back with before.

The world had changed enough that he could smile at it.

“I don’t just think I’m a hero.”

Still smiling, he removed the white bandages thoroughly wrapped around his right hand.

It was as if he removed a seal from the hand.

“I will be the hero.”

He spoke, he smiled, and he pressed his battered right hand against Index’s forehead.

While he said it could negate even the systems of God, he had thought that it was a useless right hand that would not let him defeat even a single delinquent, would not raise his scores on tests, and would not make him popular with girls.

But, there was one thing it could do.

If it could save the girl who suffered before his very eyes, it held a most wonderful power.

And then later when fighting Pendex he reasserts his newfound conclusion:

''It was not that he particularly wanted to become the hero of this story. It was just that he held the power in his right hand to negate and tear this too cruel a story to pieces!''

So no, the story didn't start with a "hero complex", it started with a guy who didn't think he was a hero at all who realized that he could be.

This is why I dislike talking with people who criticize Touma, because very few actually hit the mark, and either they haven't read the novels actually fleshing him out, have read them but have poor reading comprehension, or watched the anime and didn't pay attention.

So which is it in your case?

'''the only reason he isn't dead is because of plot armor. '''

The same could be said of literally any main characters in the series for any situation, it's not a criticism, it's just a buzzword. Mikoto wasn't killed by the Angelic baby and Accelerator because plot armor! Accelerator wasn't killed by the bullet because plot armor! Kuroko wasn't killed by Musujime because plot armor!

I too can claim whatever I want.

Accusations of plot armor only work with actual examples and explanations as to why it is plot armor, not just tossing it out willy nilly.

And yes he will jump into any situation that involves anyone remotely endangered.

He was dragged in the Index Arc by circumstances, he was dragged in the Deep Blood Arc by Stiyl, he "jumped" into the Sisters Arc because the Sister he knew was kileld, Angel Fall happens literally around him throughout the entire world and Kanzakiri/Motoharu brings him up to speed, Mikoto unwittingly drags him with the Etzali stuff, Yamisaka attacks him and Index, Sherry Cromwell attacks the mall him and Index and Kazakiri are in because she is trying to attack Kazakiri...

Need I go on? Very few arcs are just Touma deciding to insert himself.

he just jumps into situations without a second thought with his "no one should get hurt but me" ideals.

In Index arc he enlists Stiyl and Kanzaki's help, he has Stiyl's help in Deep Blood, in Angel Fall it's Tsuchimikado and Kanzaki, in Kazakiri Arc it's Anti-Skill + Kuroko and Mikoto + Index, in Orsola it's Amakusa + Index + Stiyl, in the Festival it's Tsuchimikado + Stiyl...

Need I go on? Or do I need more evidence that you don't know what you're talking about?

I really don't know why you have to put down a character simply because you like another, but at least be accurate when you do it.