Talk:Kakine Teitoku/@comment-95.90.229.144-20140311145310/@comment-5230978-20140313133716

50% failure and it ends with her loss...but yeah 50% success and it ends in his loss..

Did you really read the novels? Even though the explanation of the power of a Majin talks about 50% success and 50% failure, we already saw that when Othinus used the 50% failure she was still able to produce the wanted effect, but she received a backlash that damaged her (probably it's proportional to the scale of the reality warp she uses and would explaines why she needed the 100% success or failure to achieve her goal), so she can still defeat Kakine even with the 50%. At worst it would end with a draw, which is unlikely. And obviously she can own him with the 100% failure or success.

wouldnt it be handicapped through the distortion of the laws, the need of IB and the knowledge of the 103.000 grimoires than it would be Lsdap...

Even without the Index's grimoire the Holy Right is still a power greater than the Dark Matter, since it could own it and we already explained you why.

''ars magna includes the laws of the world, of this universe, but kakines dark matter is outside of this universe, it denies the laws of it, why should ars magna be able to affect it?? the rules on which dark matter works are unknown, or impossible to understand and this for AC, the major place for science, im sure in magical terms they would also have no clue....''

Already explained you in the previous post why Ars Magna can defeat Dark Matter. And don't forget that even if Dark Matter produce matter that doesn't exist in this world, it does't mean that what exists in this world can't defeat it: e.g. Ars magna could even create thousands of nuke explosions letting the user unscathed with the right uses, obliterating Dark Matter. Also you are comparing a reality warp type ability to a matter creation ability, even a kid knosw which is stronger.

which can create incredible destruction, ok, IF it is able to destroy every last part of Dark Matter than it can overhelm him...

Obviously it can: it can throw the Earth directly in the Sun or throw the entire Solar System against the Earth and more. Dark Matter constructs aren't so resistant to withstand such destruction.

IT showed until now not really much feats except being said or theorised by fans to be incredible powerful (i dont remember reading (not in the bad way) that IT is anything, until now it is merely a power which shows iself if toumas right hand/arm is severed, it was able to let fiamma feel fear and it was crushed by 50% success othinus,

You acknowledged that LPSaD is stronger than DM, and IT is stronger that LPSaD (it's clearly stated and shown in vol 22), ergo IT is stronger than DM.

true, agree, i forgot it, but this is not really magical XD (as far as we know), nevermind

Don't twist my post, ARF, I talked about Awakening along with the Accelerator ability, not with the magicl abilities.

ability wise i still believe that dark matter is stronger, it can recreate itself faster than Accelerator (ability) could destroy it, with this Kinetic Blast he would destroy many of them but i doubt that he could kill everyone...

Exactly, you think this, it's you subjective opinion and nothing more. The energy unleashed would destroy DM even before the constucts could reorganize. It wouldn't be too different from a meteor impact.

NOW a bit Fanwanking: it was said he can create PR's in the future, which would include Accelerator (ability) too...

There is no proof he can reproduce complex abilities like that of Accel. More importantly, we are talking about what abilities shown this far can defeat the actual Dark Matter, so don't change the topic at you convenience. Futhermore, if you want to talk about potential there are even other abilities that could defeat Dark Matter.

''he cant do that, he cant destroy every molecule, he can replicate the miracles inside the bible which involve the right hand... im not a christ but im sure there was nobody who could destroy others until they are completly gone...as Lsdap he can recreate every miracle inside the bible (where i agreed that it is more powerful)...''

There were light beams in the Bible? No. Yet he produces them. The Holy Right can reproduce miracles related to the right hand, but it can defeat every enemies using the exactly amount of power needed to do it. Now, was this ability mentioned exactly like this in the Bible? No, it's only Fiamma version of Michael's righ hand.

Ollerus has something like nigh-absolute-defense and nigh-absolute-offense (limited through othinus) (maybe not the only limiation)...

And Kakine doesn't have any of them, don't misunderstand theoretical infinite regeneration as absolute defense, because they are two completely different things. And your statement is not exact. A Majin can do everything, but it has the 50% "limitation". Ollerus doesn't have such limitation but still wield the power of a Majin, though in a weaker form, so he can almost do everything with 100% success: e.g. if he want to revive 100 people, he can only do with 90 (this is only an example so the numbers could be different, but sot so much). Now, using his power of impure Majin, and even with spells of the level of Hliðskjálf, he can easily win.

''lets make a theoretical scenario: kakines dark matter beings are over the whole world (yeah im sure he can do that since he showed the ability to easily create wings over whole sargasso), Fiamma uses Holy Right, he destroys millions of them but he creates more, Ollersu destroy million but kakine creates more, this would (with a HR who can fight without vanishing) maybe go for a few weeks/moths/years, the problem is that Ollerus and Fiamma cant destroy beings over the whole world (proof: they would rip every gremlin member apart (except othinus) if they could).. and weeks later where neither Fiamma HR or Ollerus could sleep or eat they will have no power, not in an instand but after a hugh amount of time they will not be able to fight back, which is the reason why i said: because of his endurance kakine can win, after that kakine can try to kill them at the time where they are powerless because they have a need for food,sleep, etc.''

This scenario don't make sense. Kakine cannot istantly cover the world with Dark Matter, it would require time, and meantime Fiamma or/and Ollerus would take action, so Kakine would be defeated before covering the world with DM. And you assume Kakine can cover the world only because he covered Sargasso, which is ridiculous, not to mention that the giant wings where most likely produced by an Awakening. And the point of not killing the other Gremlin's members is weak, because they were only small fries, so killing them wouldn't have killed Othinus, and the infiltration plan wouldn't have worked. Also, Fiamma is actually nerfed in the novel.

i doubt that Izzard can do such a feat, why should he do this stuff with vampires if he can simply 'think' that Index lived in a happy family far away from the Magic Side???

Because he wanted to be with her, or at least he didn't want to erease all the happiness he shared with her in the past. Without her perfect memory Index would have never meet him. If he only wanted her to be happy, he wouldn't have tried to kill Touma because he was able to free Index from the annual memory loss and to give her happpiness.