Talk:Kakine Teitoku/@comment-95.90.229.144-20140311145310/@comment-95.90.229.144-20140313102613

The power of a Majin (already shown), even en incomplete one,

50% failure and it ends with her loss...but yeah 50% success and it ends in his loss..

the Holy Right/ LPSaD's power

wouldnt it be handicapped through the distortion of the laws, the need of IB and the knowledge of the 103.000 grimoires than it would be Lsdap...and i agree that the latter is more powerul than dark matter kakine,

Ars Magna

ars magna includes the laws of the world, of this universe, but kakines dark matter is outside of this universe, it denies the laws of it, why should ars magna be able to affect it?? the rules on which dark matter works are unknown, or impossible to understand and this for AC, the major place for science, im sure in magical terms they would also have no clue....

Astro in Hand

which can create incredible destruction, ok, IF it is able to destroy every last part of Dark Matter than it can overhelm him...

''the Invisible Thing, and, by definition, whatever are the abilities of Aleister and Aiwass. ''

agree with Aleister/Aiwass

IT showed until now not really much feats except being said or theorised by fans to be incredible powerful (i dont remember reading (not in the bad way) that IT is anything, until now it is merely a power which shows iself if toumas right hand/arm is severed, it was able to let fiamma feel fear and it was crushed by 50% success othinus,

that is everything..... we could argue that it is powerful because of his epihpet 'cleanses god' but this would be pointless.....

''And don't forget about the Awakening. ''

true, agree, i forgot it, but this is not really magical XD (as far as we know), nevermind

ability wise i still believe that dark matter is stronger, it can recreate itself faster than Accelerator (ability) could destroy it, with this Kinetic Blast he would destroy many of them but i doubt that he could kill everyone...

NOW a bit Fanwanking: it was said he can create PR's in the future, which would include Accelerator (ability) too...

''This reasoning doesn't make sense. Fiamma and Ollerus can obliterate Kakine with one strike, so even if he can theoretically create an infinite supply of Dark Matter, if he got destroyed at the first strike he cannot produce anything, and they will be able to destroy him even after he produced Drak Matter.''

''Hahaha, no. Fiamma could destroy every molecule of Dark Matter of Kakine if he wanted. His swung reach everything, regardless of defense. You can't escape his attack unscathed. He will not even tire, he will just destroy Kakine on his first swing. ''

he cant do that, he cant destroy every molecule, he can replicate the miracles inside the bible which involve the right hand... im not a christ but im sure there was nobody who could destroy others until they are completly gone...as Lsdap he can recreate every miracle inside the bible (where i agreed that it is more powerful)...

Ollerus has something like nigh-absolute-defense and nigh-absolute-offense (limited through othinus) (maybe not the only limiation)...

you mentioned it yourself:

Thanks to Kamina for supporting my point: that doesn't matter if he is destroyed to the last particle in the first attack.

lets make a theoretical scenario: kakines dark matter beings are over the whole world (yeah im sure he can do that since he showed the ability to easily create wings over whole sargasso), Fiamma uses Holy Right, he destroys millions of them but he creates more, Ollersu destroy million but kakine creates more, this would (with a HR who can fight without vanishing) maybe go for a few weeks/moths/years, the problem is that Ollerus and Fiamma cant destroy beings over the whole world (proof: they would rip every gremlin member apart (except othinus) if they could)..

and weeks later where neither Fiamma HR or Ollerus could sleep or eat they will have no power, not in an instand but after a hugh amount of time they will not be able to fight back, which is the reason why i said: because of his endurance kakine can win,

after that kakine can try to kill them at the time where they are powerless because they have a need for food,sleep, etc.

''Kakine is not actually infinite he is only potentially infinite because he already shown limits. And he is immortal only as long as DM exists, without it he is nothing but a pile of organs which cannot produce DM without external stimuli. ''

which is his only limitation i saw so far, i agree IF they can destroy dark matter without a single trace than kakine is screwed...

''I'm not so sure if Ars Magna can't directly affect DM or not, but Aureolus could simply think that Kakine never born or existed, and then Kakine and Dark Matter no more. ''

i doubt that Izzard can do such a feat, why should he do this stuff with vampires if he can simply 'think' that Index lived in a happy family far away from the Magic Side???

@kingwizard ''Read NT8, Between the Lines 2. ''

i have, and.......now ?? he has a body created out of dark matter, so ??? what is your point ??

Like I said if you had paid attention, Terra just needs to say 'My human skin takes precedence over everyhing else', and he is litterally untouchable.

''He still has a brain. He still has a consciousness. Last I checked, he wasn't an android. He is affected. ''

no offense, but why are you hyping their abilitys??, if terra could do this than he would say "flour over everything" and he would cut through toumas body in the end move of their fight, he cant do such a thing, he also cant affect dark matter since he needs to know what dark matter is, and this is impossible for him because it was impossible for AC...

last time i checked ventos abilitys i read that she affects the body of a human because: they feel hate/ill-will against her, D.P. stops their body (the lungs) from gaining enough oxygen to function properly and the person looses his consciousness... so in the end it depends on the case: does dark matter kakine needs oxygen or not?? which i doubt.

''Othinus is Runner A, Ollerus is Runner B, and Kakine is Runner C. Runner A and Runner B once did a marathon, and found that they were approximately the same speed, though Runner A would have eventually won if it lasted longer. Runner C tried to win against Runner A, but instead lost miserably. ''

A wins because she got lucky (50% success), that means she could also loose to both, Ollerus and Kakine. so what needs to be cleared is: can B run faster as C ??

with what you wrote: Runner B is fast as Runner C but there is no goal, the race ends if one of them cant run anymore, B is faster but C has infinite stamina, so think for yourself who would win in this kind of race?? B is thousand times faster as C but despite the incrediclbe stamina of B. C is able to run and run without needing a break....

maybe after 100km, maybe after 1 million km, B cant anymore, C can still run and run, and after a hugh amount of time C will pass B...

''He can simply say 'Die', and Kakine will die. That you even try to argue against Ars Magna makes me laugh. ''

again: he wouldnt affect Dark Matter, since his laws are unknown

''Oh, and extra fun, I just found a new victor: The Pope uses the Holy power of two billion followers passed down through two thousand years of history, and Kakine is bound by a restraining spell using Judas' legend for forty years. ''

and i have also one: the erasing of existence spell which should be used agaisnt AC in italy arc...

So in short:

IF fiamma and ollerus can destroy him without a single piece than they win, IF not than Kakine is able to regenarate and after a hugh amount of time he wins...

Othinus will either win or loose, 50/50 ike always...

Vento and Terra gets lolstomped...

Izzard/Ars Magna cant affect him since Dark MAtters Laws are unknown, and this is what is important, Ars Magna User cant replicate Dark Matter in his mind since he cant undertand his laws....

and any other magician is screwed, Except if they use such large-peparation-super-specific spells, like pops-soul-severing-magic or erasing-pf-existence-spell...

Now please, stop fanwanking, and provide serious arguments as to why Kakine would win against any of the Magicians I put forth.

i gaved my best XD