Talk:Othinus/@comment-24098614-20190110100242/@comment-76.180.83.104-20190724021515

@Modestas76. I mean, what OP wrote is his opinions, so there's no logic involved (they like Index, believe Touma is too forgiving, and that Touma goes around forgiving everyone despite their crimes. These are all opinions...)

I also don't think calling Index a McGuffin is fair, since she fulfills the same role as Othinus in that she's the magic expert and advisor. Both are pretty helpless, but help Touma with his forays into the supernatural world with knowledge. Yes, Touma's desire to protect/stay with Index drives a great deal of plot (then again, knowing the guy, he would've gotten involved to save people regardless).

@Otaku4469. But isn't it obvious, since Index literally shows up in the very first book, compared to Othinus who shows up much later? Also, you only defend why you like Index more than Orthinus (which seems to revolve around the idea that you liked that character first), but not why Touma is being too forgiving.

4th commenter: what do you mean? Just saying something goes into length doesn't really help convince anyone. Also, of course Othinus had 2 volumes dedicated to her, since a) she was the primary villain of one arc and a driving motivator in another, and b) because she's a character introduced late into the game, with 2 back to back arcs involving her. (I mean, seriously, when she ends the world, it's basically just her and Touma, what else could they focus on other than their relationship (as antagonistic as it is?)) (Plus, how many volumes are dedicated to relationship between Touma and Index, and between Touma and Mikoto? It's dumb to judge things like that simply based on volume).

5th commenter: yeah, shipping wars are pretty stupid, especially in stories like this where it's pretty likely that no one will be the conclusive victor. But it's not like these harmless wiki comments actually impact what the author is going to write about (unless some crazed fanboys are sending actual mails to the author or something begging for their stupid ship). Then again, I think one's like of a character doesn't necessarily prejudice against another character. I like Index as a character, but have some serious issues with Othinus completely unrelated to her. (I think her motivation in returning the world shows no remorse, she's fairly redundant to the cast (role is very similar to index), her understanding of Touma is greatly exaggerated (or due to the torture she herself put him through), and that her violence against a guy she tortured for eternity is messed up).

6th commenter: Does she? I thought the thing about her was that she keeps getting sidelined despite supposedly being the main heroine (especially during NT, where her role as the holder of the books becomes less important due to the powercreep of introducing magic gods). She's violent, childish, and terrible at expressing her emotions, and relies on Touma after being saved by him. But these are negative characteristics that tons of characters show in the series (including fan favorite character, Misaka Mikoto). In fact, something I don't like is how similar Othinus and Index turned out to be. I wished for Othinus to have a different role to let her stand out from the other cast, but she ended up being so similar (small, freeloader, violent, magic expert, helpless, intelligent).