Talk:Misaka Mikoto/@comment-27455673-20160702124800/@comment-25431873-20160705003748

'''Mikoto was the lead so far as the science side is concern—and she's not "a heroine", but "the heroine" of science side; care to give another heroine who has more exposure than Mikoto from the science side? '''

If you read my comment, you would have understood that my point is about Mikoto at that point of time, that is at the time of the publication of OT3, was "a" heroine. She was just introduced as an actual character with a backstory and motivations, as opposed to her appearance in the first volume being basically a cameo with how barely important to the plot it was. Indeed, if you read and compare both volumes, Mikoto's early characterization differs greatly: she was more prone to violence, her fight with Touma was less comedic, was a bit arrogant, she knew of the Sisters experiment (or at least heard the rumours), etc. That's what we call early installment weirdness, when the author (or screenwriter if it is a TV show) is still trying to find their footing on the plot and the characterization and aren't sure if their first product will be popular enough to warrant a sequel and a franchise.

And yes, Mikoto was a heroine at the time, because that's how the first few formulaic volumes (with the exception of volume 5 which was a special case) went: the story involved a girl Touma had to help or save and she was the focus of the story, most often appearing on the cover to highlight that fact: Index for volume 1, Himegami for volume 2, Mikoto for volume 3, Kaori (in the sense of helping her) for volume 4, Kazakiri for volume 6, Orsola for volume 7. To a certain degree, it could be said volume 5 had instead three girls as focus (Mikoto, Last Order, Index) and volume 8 sort of had Kuroko saved by Touma at the end. It's only by volume 9 that you see a change in the formula, and, incidentally, when the plot really starts to form and come together instead of being basically stand alone stories with no plot relevant relation to the others. Don't believe me, why not take the words from Kamachi himself?:

Volume 5 Afterword: In this story, there's no specific magic keyword or female protagonist that the story revolves around

Volume 9 Afterword: ''Come to think of it, who's the main female protagonist this time? ''

Nothing to get angry about as if I'm trying to imply Mikoto is not the heroine of the Science Side: seeing how I made lots of concessions in my original post, maybe calm down with the fanboyism?

If you're talking about chronology, the first level 5 to ever get introduced was Mikoto and not Accelerator—in addition, OT3 was more of about Mikoto taking the spotlight alongside Touma; with Accelerator as its antagonist

Who cares if she was the first Level 5 introduced? My point was that Accelerator had his own solo adventure, without Touma's involvement at all, before Mikoto did, hence why I consider him having been a protagonist before Mikoto. Nothing more, nothing less, I don't see what's so shocking about establishing a chronology, do you think that makes Mikoto less important?

Anyway, even sharing the spotlight with Touma, Mikoto was only a supporter in that story, the majority of the story was still from Touma's point-of-view and he was the one who resolved it. That's a fact: it was a Touma story in which Mikoto was the central focus, not a Mikoto story in which Touma happened to be in.

whether you like it or not

This has nothing to do with whether I like something or not, I'm just trying to rectify some things here. If anything, you are the one too mired in "likes" and "dislikes".

'''that's why Miki made Kamachi write the third installment of the series to focus on Mikoto (science side) and her character development, might as well a preparation for the release of her own manga; Toaru Kagaku No Railgun. '''

This is either a lie or you think this completely made up story is true. Here is what the development of the manga was actually like:

'——Tell us how it all began. What led to the creation of Railgun?'

Ogino (Railgun’s editor): Just like with [Shakugan no] Shana, it started with a request I made to Miki-san. I asked him to let us do an Index manga in Daioh. He said we couldn’t because Gangan was already doing one, so I asked him to let Dengeki Daioh do one for the science side...specifically Misaka Mikoto.

Kamachi: What?

Miki: I thought the idea of a manga in Daioh was great, so we discussed how it should be done. Once we had a general idea of how it would work, we asked Kamachi-san to write the original concept.

Fuyukawa: I didn’t know about all of that. That was before I was brought in.

Kamachi: At that point, I had simply been told it would be a manga using Academy City as its primary stage, so I wrote my original draft with Shirai Kuroko as the protagonist.

OT3 came out in September 2004, the Index manga began publishing in April 2007, and the Railgun manga began publishing in May 2007. The timeline simply doesn't line up with your made up story.

'''Third, Mikoto asked for Touma's help in OT8? More like Misaka 10032 was the one who asked for help, that's why he rushed to aid Mikoto. '''

Seems like I was mistaken, my apologies.

Fourth, OT3 was released earlier than OT5, and Mikoto by that time, was hailed as the main heroine of science side.

Hailed by who? Do you have articles, blogs, whatever of the time of publication (2004) which proves that point or are you just making things up along as you run out of arguments?

Fifth, Mikoto indirectly used magic, actually she does not understand that "blank page" of AAA which is magic—while Accelerator was given a proper explanation about magic, and he do understand that far greater than Mikoto and was able to diretly use a spell.

Yes, with great difficulty. He did it all of once (by what you just wrote, when he sang it didn't count as he didn't know what he was doing exactly), and had to use his scientific powers to not die. Accelerator is not going to be fighting the Magic Side anytime soon.

Sixth, yes it's important that the representative of science side must be a character inclined to science, not both

This seems rather arbitrary and completely made up on your part, but Accelerator doesn't qualify anyway. You're talking as if he has become Motoharu.

and to answer you question if there's a criteria, the answer is immediate and obvious, the character represents the science side because that particular character represents what the science has to offer against the magic side

By that weird criteria, neither Hamazura, Uiharu, or Kumokawa (the latter two having gotten their own side stories in which they were protagonists) were not Science Side protagonists because they didn't have obvious abilities that could offered to counter the Magic Side.

Wait a minute, I can see what Kamachi has to say about this!:

Volume 13 Afterword: However,' there are no precise meanings up to this point for [Magic's story] and [Science's story]. It's simply that points of view and incidents simply do not branch into two', but in the first place obscured the barriers delimiting each other's domains.

''It might be also interesting to examine where in the world and what's the extent for these barriers, and how much of those barriers have been obscured. With the number of barriers being expressible as the number of walls between organizations, truth is I think I can grasp the [on this work, great change worldwide] which I don't mention much. ''

Whoops, looks like you're quite wrong.

Seventh, both Mikoto and Accelerator has their own manga series; and no, their position as the representative of science side won't be altered through exposure, it was already proven by many times that Mikoto is the series' most popular character until in the contemporary.

So you're saying Accelerator getting a manga won't give him more exposure? What?

Eight, Mikoto has more exposure in the novels than Accelerator

Lol, Index also has more exposure than any other character in the Magic Side, but you would be hard pressed to find people saying that makes her more relevant to the plot. But let's make a count:

Mikoto: minor character in OT1, central to OT3, central to one story in OT5, side character in OT6, 8, 9-10. Supporting in OT12-13. Side character in OT14, OT16, OT17. Heroine in OT20 to 22.

Accelerator: antagonist in OT3, protagonist in OT5, side character in OT8, protagonist in OT12-13, OT15, OT19, OT20 to 22.

See, as opposed to you, I care more about ability to affect the plot in a meaningful way as well as actual focus over mere appearances.

'''care to explain why Mikoto has more arcs dedicated to her in the science side than Accelerator? '''

Reading comprehension: "Accelerator is the representative of the science side in the novels". Who said that, I wonder? And what does it mean in the wider context of the entire series?

Lastly, please stop contradicting yourself—

PWahahahahaha!

it's too obvious that you're a die-hard Accelerator fan.

LMAO, thanks for the laughs, coming from a die hard Mikoto fan this is hilarious. But no, I'm not a "fan" of Accelerator, I'm a fan of the series, I merely like the characters. And from what I always read on this wiki, when people become fans of a given character, they tend to be...intense, and irrational.