Talk:Kakine Teitoku/@comment-95.90.229.144-20140311145310/@comment-5230978-20140314235755

''?? i dont want to be annoying but didnt this thing showed up, (maybe it was the reason why IB and toumas right arm returned) and was stopped by touma himself?? why should it be stronger?? yeah Fiamma was scared but i dont think this is a valid reason to think that IT is stronger than Lsdap...''

For the second time: did you really read the novels?

" He was known as The One Above God.

If it was necessary, he could easily smash the no longer needed adaptor with an overwhelming explosion of light that could turn an entire planet to dust.

It would have been odd if he could not.

“…?”

In that instant, what Fiamma of the Right felt first was not anger or fear. It was doubt.

There was not a scratch on the boy who should have been turned to ash.

'''In fact, the great swirl of light Fiamma had fired had split in two right in front of the boy and scattered to either side of him. Yet that attack had held such power that it could blow away a planet or recreate any of the legends in Christianity.'''

It was almost like…

It was almost like it had been blown away by an invisible right hand stretching from the wound on the boy’s shoulder.

(.....)

Fiamma felt his lips quickly drying up. He had finally acquired the right arm of Imagine Breaker. He had made all sorts of major preparations in order to obtain that strange right hand that acted as the final key. As long as he had his own power and that boy’s right arm that had been disassembled and reorganized into a spiritual item, he could save the entire world. He had obtained something with that much value and yet…

He was inferior.

He was overshadowed.

The great swirl of power compressing toward that boy’s shoulder felt so threatening that it seemed to suck the color out of everything Fiamma had obtained.

(Something invisible…)

Fiamma of the Right looked back at the boy’s face.

He was still hanging his head down so his expression could not be seen.

It seemed that not just Imagine Breaker resided in that boy’s body. Just the ability to negate supernatural powers was not enough to shake Fiamma’s heart that greatly and to put him on his guard to that extent.''' Even then, he felt a painful illusion on his skin. He felt a deeply resounding shock in the bottom of his gut like large fireworks were going off nearby. That shock was similar to an invisible wall.'''

(Something is there!!)

(.....)

His words were not especially loud.

And yet they still stabbed into the depths of Fiamma’s ears. His heart uncontrollably went on such high guard that he felt like overlooking a single twitch of a finger or blink of an eye could have a major effect on the outcome of the battle."

See? It was clearly stated that Fiamma was inferior, it was shown that the IT split an attack of Fiamma LPSaD. Also, if a god level being  has fear of another power it's pretty clear that it is inferior. Just look at the level of terror of Fiamma. Ergo IT stronger than DM.

( agree, this story seems to be a bit inconsistent with the powers and the explanations why they occur :D

It's not inconsistenciy, it's Idol Theory.

im sure he can,

Again, it's only a subjective view point. If he can cover an island, does it imply he can cover the world? The answer is "No". Even if he was able to covre a continent, it wouldn't be enough of a proof to say that he can cover the world. You are only fanwanking here.

''was it ever mentioned that his wings started to glow or something like in Vol. 15 ?? i readed that part and their is nothing mentioned about his wings turning into this version again....''

Does the author have to write the same description every time? No. Here there are other elements that make the possbility of an Awakening feasible:

1 - Before NT8, Kakine only showed giant wings (100 m) only during the first Awakening. Also, if Kakine Beetle 05, who has the same ability of Original Kakine was able to produce the giant wings showed in NT8 he would have used them against Rensa 29 to fight her Black Wing, at least to take time.

2 - During the first Awakening Kakine knows and talks about things he shouldn't know, things he seemigly discovered thanks to the Awakening, like the mysterious misssion of Accel. In NT8 he talks about ages, which could be the Aeons.

3 - Kamachi tends to repeat similiar, if not almost identical, events, as if to use a sort of symbology(e.g. a lot of character had one arm sliced/destroyed, especially the right arm, the three Level 5s that worked for the Dark Side received lethal injuries and where able to survive thanks to Heaven Canceller or devices created by him, etc.). The scene were Kakine grows giant wings and is defeat by Othinus NT8 is almost identical to the scene in vol 15 when he was defeated by an Awekened Accel, after he Awakened himself: Kakine grows giant wings, look down to his enemy, madly laughs (only didi in these scenes), start to attack confident of his victory, but is utterly defeated without even showing his new found power, and finally talks about things he shouldn't know (in NT8 this happens before growing the wings, but it doesn't change the general framework).

Anyway, Awakening or not, there's still no evidence that Kakine can cover the planet with Dark Matter.

it would destroy the whole plan of Othinus, without Bersi she cant do a sh*t with science, without Mijölnir she cant accomplish the needed energy and without Marian she cant create Gungnir in the first place, so why shouldnt they kill them and stop Othinus???

It wouldn't stop Othinus. Even if her plan fails, she can find another one in the future. Furthermore, she is a a complete Majin and can resurrect people as Einherjars, so she can recover the members of Gremlin any time she want.

if they wanted to kill Othinus which they knew it is not possible (ollerus stated it in NT4) than why should they seek her, they only need to prevend her from creating gungnir, which they accomplish would the kill everyone in gremlin...

For the third time: did you really read the novels? The only method found by Ollerus to kill Othinus was the Turn-into-Fairy spell, but if he couldn't reach Othinus it would have been useless, and trying to get near her without the need measures wuld have lead to his defeat, so he had to infiltrate in Gremlin, as he did.

''a undertandable reason, than why didnt he do it for the roman knights?? of course he thought about them as small fries but it would be more convenient if they would never being born..... the problem is: he cant simply say 'Be never Born', he needs to imagine that this person was never born and without any information about this certain being before him, do you think he could do that??''

Only a knight was killed, and he could have even been killed by Aureolus Dummy. Also, you pointed out yourself that, if Izzard was the killer of Parsifal, the knight was a small fry so there was no need to prevent his born because easily defeatable. Kakine would be an harder foe, so he would be worth it. This is a common mentality between the characters, especially the villains, of this and a lot of other fictional series, and it's quite reasonable (though a lot people tag it as a mere CIS). And Aureolus doesn't need to know the composition or the history of someone/something to affect them, as long as they are part of this world and he think they exist.He would surely think that Kakine exists because he would be right before him and since he is still part of this world he can be affected.