Talk:Kakine Teitoku/@comment-95.90.229.144-20140311145310/@comment-11571396-20140312203637

^ i wrote the whole time: dark matter kakine, i tgought it is clear which one i mean...

And which one do you think I'm talking about? I'm talking about Kakine of the festival, and this one still had half of his human organs, that's how he managed to come back in the first place.

Read NT8, Between the Lines 2.

than again: terra needs to know what he wants to change, which means: if not even the science side was able to understand kakines dark matter than do you believe that terra could??

Like I said if you had paid attention, Terra just needs to say 'My human skin takes precedence over everyhing else', and he is litterally untouchable.

for vento: the reason why people cant attack her is that they need oxygen, her magic prevends them from gaining enough air to work properly, kakine doesnt even have lungs, which is essential for this power to work...

He still has a brain. He still has a consciousness. Last I checked, he wasn't an android. He is affected.

and yeah, the only reason d.m. kakine wins is because of his endurance, he does the same against accel and even if it would be accel (without choker) kakine would win, the reason is his infinite supply of d.m., therefore fiamma or ollerus would destroy a hugh amount of kakines dark matter (regradless of form) but they loose against him because they have limits and he dont....

Thanks to Kamina for supporting my point: that doesn't matter if he is destroyed to the last particle in the first attack. Are you being willingly oblivious? Kakine can't defend against Fiamma's Holy Right first. Then there is the fact that the Holy Right is 'as strong as it needs to be to defeat the opponent'. That means that if the threat possesses an amount of power equal to X, then the HR will deploy an amount of power just enough to snuff out X and eliminate the threat. Do you really think it can't overwhelm Dark Matter? And hasn't Touma compared Fiamma's power to a 'I win' button?

And then you still haven't given a good argument against Ollerus besides 'hurr durr endurance'. Your argument doesn't even make sense from a logical standpoint. To add to my earlier reasoning that you still haven't adressed correctly, what makes you think Kakine who wasn't able to defeat Majin Othinus with her 50/50 restraints could win against Ollerus who at least was able to draw her into a stalemate?

One comparision I can make is likening them all to runners. Othinus is Runner A, Ollerus is Runner B, and Kakine is Runner C. Runner A and Runner B once did a marathon, and found that they were approximately the same speed, though Runner A would have eventually won if it lasted longer. Runner C tried to win against Runner A, but instead lost miserably.

Do you honestly think, using your capacity of reflexion, that Runner C could seriously win against Runner B? That's how illogical your argument is.

'''^^ oh and izzard cant affect d.m. kakine, why? the reason is easy: dark matter dont exist in this world, do you believe izzard would/could have his laws included into his spell???'''

He can simply say 'Die', and Kakine will die. That you even try to argue against Ars Magna makes me laugh.

Now please, stop fanwanking, and provide serious arguments as to why Kakine would win against any of the Magicians I put forth. Because all I see is unsupported assertions and leaps in logic, no actual reasoning beyond your own subjectivity. If you keep providing circular arguments basically boiling down to 'because Dark Matter', I will take that as a sign that you are not seeking an intellectually honest discussion and a concession on your part.

Remember, it's your own fault for putting Kakine against the Magic Side, you have no one to blame for Kakine's losses except you.

Oh, and extra fun, I just found a new victor: The Pope uses the Holy power of two billion followers passed down through two thousand years of history, and Kakine is bound by a restraining spell using Judas' legend for forty years.