Talk:Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index Light Novel Volume 09/@comment-1460085-20140129172957/@comment-1.122.55.85-20140131171611

OK so now you are going to switch your argument to "Touma beating powerful people is unreasonable" when your original statement did not have a hint of that stuff.

Seriously, name ONE instance where Touma beats a powerful opponent all by himself. Accelerator's case was a bloody joke. Do you honestly expect the all high and mighty level 5 to beat a level 0 (in Accel's eyes) by wearing him down with ranged attacks when he can kill with a touch!? If I were Accel my pride would be wounded as hell, that's why he lost it when Touma punched him the first time, he was mad with revenge, is that really so hard to comprehend? When Touma crawled back up Accel got scared shitless. Touma seemed so frail at the time led him to believe one more touch would do. Why do people keep thinking Accel is supposedly a calm and collected killer during the Sisters Arc? At the time he was nothing more than a sadistic little kid with a seemingly invincible power but didn't know how vast the world was.

Getting back on topic, Touma beats all four God's Right Seat with help: Vento with poisoning effects from AIM and Kazakiri, Terra with hints from Itsuwa and Tsuchimikado, completely owned by Acqua the first time, then had the entire Amakusa AND Kanzaki to create an opening. Fiamma with practically the entire world. Carissa with 3 saint levels to stall her, then the queen distrubuted her power, Index interrupting her and finally Acqua hurling him right at her at supersonic speeds. In NT Birdway went easy on him, drew with lightning god Thor then immediately pwned by almighty Thor, Rensa was breaking down towards the end, Freya with Index and Mikoto. So stop making it sound like Touma just solos all of his opponents with ease.

If you found the RPG analogy to be weak, I'd like to see your version of describing it. Since busting out a new power is pretty much the only other way of getting out, but do thrill me please. I understand the RPG thing may sound very out of place for a battle of such a scale IF YOU TOOK IT OUT OF CONTEXT. I mean what did you expect? Touma suddely sprouting some technobabble shit regarding Othinus's weakness? It doesn't make it sound anymore convincing. Regarding the whole "reviving" ordeal, if you claimed to have read the volume then you should have known that Othinus only kept Touma alive because she was indecisive between repairing with IB or going to the next world. How is this "miraculous"? Yeah it's so miraculous because a powerful god with emotions could not make her decision is so unreasonable to you? As for how Touma spoke for so long after being blown apart, references were made to how people still spoke after being gullotine'd. I wasn't there to see it, but I don't see how you can outright deny the possiblity when even Terra lived for a while after Acqua pulled pretty much the same shit on him. Hell even blame it on plot armor if you will, nobody has experienced this shit and lived to tell about it. Index is not some human biology textbook. It may seem outrageous but I don't see how this can become the reason of hate, it fits right within suspension of belief since no one in reality can confirm or deny how long a person can live for with their head cut off.

Fairy spell not taking effect at the start was fully explained. At first the spell only served to grant Othinus her Majin powers, nothing more. After looping millions of times Touma completely figured out "100% success" Othinus. Realizing that she could not win like this, Othinus retaliated by using the "100% failure" for the first time and that's where the spell took effect. Normally Othinus would never have to do this as even Ollerus did not push her this far, then again Ollerus obviously never looped miilions of times to analyse her so there's that. It's been stated precognition works based on experience so stop labeling things asspulls simply because you find it unreasonable when Touma has been fighting the same way thoughout the entire series.

I see you are still claiming that Touma should be an average high school boy due to his claims. Does it occur to you that before the memory loss he never said anything of the kind and just threw around sentences like being able to erase God's work like it was nothing? Seriously how is someone that can jump from a building, grab the railing a floor below and jump back inside on volume 1 a "normal high school boy"? Post memory loss Touma made this claim obviously not taking into account all the freaks he beat and what ever the hell he went through before Vol 1. He WANTS the life of a normal high school boy, not fighting freaks everyday. Take away the fights and he can easily mingle with his classmates who are pretty freaky in their own right.