Talk:Level 5/@comment-25093611-20140718131038/@comment-5230978-20150306002030

@GreatestSin

As the conversation about Toon Force and the like has been deleted I'll reply here.

no, not this time, hell, throw bugs into the toaru-verse and let him fight anyone, the outcoe should be clear, bugs will come back from "erased out of existence" or anything else and than start trolling again...

You don't understand that Toon Force and all the other abilities Bugs Bunny has work only in his universe. Throw Bugs in any fictional universe different by his own and he will be nothing more than funny talking humanoid bunny. And you continue to forget that we don't know the real limit of Aleister and Aiwass. More importantly, in Toaru there is also the Chirstian God (Omnipotent, Onmipresent, Omniscent) so even if Bunny could use his abilities he wouldn't reach that level. Not to mention that in Toaru the Christian God should belong to the Aeon of Osiris and so an entity of Horus, which is stronger, should exist. (oh, just to make it clear omnipotence can grant Author Authority and omniscence does the same with 4th wall awareness)

this shouldnt even be debattable, obviously nobody in toaru has complete omnipotence,

Proved you that it's wrong. Plus the series is not finished yet and it's full of mysteries, including Aleister and Aiwass' powers, so you can't really say that.

and toon force is the closest to this term since it allows basically any mind-screw that is imaginable :)

And for the third time toon force is limited only to re-write the law of physics of the fictional universe where the user resides and generally has only teh purpose of being funny. The Nigh-omnipotence it grants is limited to that and any Majin can do more than that and both Aleister and Aiwass are stronger than them. If you want to talk about a power, at least inform yourself before.

''cant a fight become this? giving a fictional setting in which a char from another story can "invade" the story of another fictional verse, it has a followable form which is the needed condition,''

No, it's not a followable form. When people discuss a theoretical fight the only say what could happen but they don't actually write the fight (characters talking and and narration describing what happens in the fight). It's just like having a metting before writing a script and obviosuly at that stage the 4th wall awareness of a character wouldn't even exist as a story doesn't exist yet and so Fun Lord wouldn't work. That's the problem with fictional powers that relates to the real world to be used.

the reaosn why nobody makes this fights is not because toon force wouldnt work but that it would be impossible to win, afterall the "users" are immortal and basically "god-tier in troll-mode"

Maybe nobody made this fights because you are probably the first and only person that thought about it? Or maybe because nobody other than Kamachi knows what Alesiter and Aiwass can do and so they would have to make up their abilities? Not even an Aleister vs Aiwass could be fanfictionable. Also, the powers Bunny has are always as powerful as the author decides according to the purpose they are used for (generally only to be funny) so they aren't absolute like omniscence, or faster than light, and ergo the outcome of a possible fight against any other character can be never taken for granted unless you are not the author.

true, toon force isnt absolute omnipotence but since nothing in toaru showed such a hugh-power-lvl it doesnt matter, they wouldnt be able to defeat bugs ^_^

Again you are confusing Toon force with Fun Lord and Plot Control, which have their limitations too. And again... Oh, well I already replied above about the omnipotence in Toaru and what the other characters can do so I don't have to repeat it again. Hopefully.

exactly, this is the reason why it makes no sense to take any fight involving this "ability" as serious, i dont understand how people would misunderstand that

At first I gave it so much importance that I replies with a "No", so no misunderstanding. If you hadn't shown to not understand how toon force works and continued to say Bugs would win, I wouldn't have to explain you what was wrong in your statements. I hope at least you understand that and how these powers works now.

maybe this is the reason why people can become easily angry and insulting if their favorite char loses against another one ^_^ but this is only what i think

Is it a general though or are you referring to me? If it's the latter, you really dropped a clanger.

''well, actually, a third possibility: giving them their own-verse rules in a place of nautrality, like: HxH-verse vs naruto-verse in a normal open field, aura and chakra are different, but they can still be used for a battle... in bugs bunnys case it isnt different, how else would a fight possible?''

The example you used isn't so appropriate as they aren't powers that would clash if they were to exist in the same universe. Differently, if a power can only work in a determined universe, it wouldn't work even in a neutral zone with the same characterstic of said universe as it would be only a copy even (think Othinus creating a world indentical to that hers through Phases but that it's obviously not the same she comes from). Or if two universes where to cohexist, the ability that can be related to a certain universe couldn't apply its effects to the other universe (e.g. toon force), but only to its own. Only a fanfiction or a crossover where the author ignores these rules (ToaruxDrrr seems to be an example) could be a place where Bugs Bunny or others could freely use the discussed powers.