Talk:Kakine Teitoku/@comment-95.90.229.144-20140311145310/@comment-5230978-20140312192834

''^ ? why? no im honest now, with every ability we have seen so far which one is stronger?? without the personality of the esper which ability is stronger as dark matter??''

The power of a Majin (already shown), even en incomplete one, the Holy Right, LPSaD's power, Ars Magna (I hope I don't have to explain again why this abilities are, because KingWizard already did and you should be able to do understand by yourself if you try to see things objectively), Astro in Hand, the Invisible Thing, and, by definition, whatever are the abilities of Aleister and Aiwass.

not vector manipulation, since the user is still human and if he is captured into dark matter he would suffocate

Wrong, if an Accelerator's (ability) user is surrounded by Dark Matter they would be able to manipulate it to open a way through and avoid suffocation. More importantly Kakine can survive only as long as Dark Matter exist, but, if it's blown away or doesn't exist (things that even the above mentioned abilities can make possible), he can no longer do it. Even the Accelerator can destroy it all, because according to calculation (below) the rotational energy attack used in vol 13 has enough power to destroy a continent, and Dark Matter would be blown away. And don't forget about the Awakening.

normal rotational E = 0.5*8.04*10^37*(6.28318531/86400)^2 = 212597574417003145793145576132 J

slowed down rotational E = 0.5*8.04*10^37*(6.28318531/86700)^2 = 211128856364793392376368418322 J

212597574417003145793145576132 - 211128856364793392376368418322 = 1468718052209753416777157810 J = 351032039247 MT = 351 Petaton

and yeah, the only reason d.m. kakine wins is because of his endurance, he does the same against accel and even if it would be accel (without choker) kakine would win, the reason is his infinite supply of d.m., therefore fiamma or ollerus would destroy a hugh amount of kakines dark matter (regradless of form) but they loose against him because they have limits and he dont....

This reasoning doesn't make sense. Fiamma and Ollerus can obliterate Kakine with one strike, so even if he can theoretically create an infinite supply of Dark Matter, if he got destroyed at the first strike he cannot produce anything, and they will be able to destroy him even after he produced Drak Matter. Kakine is not actually infinite he is only potentially infinite because he already shown limits. And he is immortal only as long as DM exists, without it he is nothing but a pile of organs which cannot produce DM without external stimuli.

''oh and izzard cant affect d.m. kakine, why? the reason is easy: dark matter dont exist in this world, do you believe izzard would/could have his laws included into his spell???''

I'm not so sure if Ars Magna can't directly affect DM or not, but Aureolus could simply think that Kakine never born or existed, and then Kakine and Dark Matter no more.