Talk:Kamijou Touma/Abilities and Powers/@comment-173.87.221.2-20150408002555/@comment-5230978-20150408120540

there is no proof stating that you have to be smart to be able to use esper powers considering there were a lot of espers that were smarter than touma and they were level 0's

You must be joking. It has been proven and explained in the first volumes of the series and repeated so many times after those that I can't even count them. Without calculation ability (conscious or subconscious) espers can't activate their power and Level 5 espers have a massive calc ability but Touma barely have a decent one, so how could he have a power stronger than that of Level 5s? Wait, he can't. Oh and being smart and academically smart is not the same thing. Touma is the first but not the latter just like Hamazura.

what I mean is that the dragons are what existed and took different forms which ended up in his right arm which made those dragons take a biological form in nature and later ended up in acadamy city his MIND and BODY was modified which then he developed an ability

Did you even read what I wrote? "IB is not even Touma power as it existed ages before him and can transfers even into objects so esper powers and the dragons are unneded for its existence." IB was stated to transfer itself but not the IT/dragons which are powers different from IB. And even if they tranfers too, IB can be contained even by objects so no esper powers are needed. This very fact settles everything.

''but his esper ability which is probably related to order can overcome chaos. his esper ability and the dragons are seperate abilities that are constantly trying to negate each other which has us end up with Imagine breaker.''

This chaos and order stuff is something you completely made up by yourself as nothing in the series suggests such a thing. If you really want a order ability for your theory IB being the reference point of the world is a perfect option, instead of a clearly a nonexistent powerful esper abilities that not only Touma can't have due to his lack of calc ability but isn't related to science at all and any esper power developed by AC are.

The reason why Aleister did not make him a level six is because Touma's esper ability is a level six ability because if his esper ability can negate the dragon which negated Mikoto's level 6 attack then that makes it pretty powerful ability and Aleister didn't want Touma to learn how to use his ability because if touma learned how to use his ability it would ruin his plan of trying to take his right arm easily so he can use it in his plan plus he Touma has two of the strongest abilites in the series thats why.

Oh please, Alesiter was able to restrain Aiwass to a certain extent and an entire organization of Magic Gods. Do you really believe he wouldn't have a countermeasure to prevent Touma ruining is plan?

forgot to mention that the dragons are related to magic.

In you theory IT and the Dragons are the same thing but it's heavily implied that IT is neither magical nor scientifical, and even the third power, just like IB. So no, not really.

what about shinobu she's a genius but she is a level zero

Do you even know about the Parameter List? Even geniuses if they don't have the "potential" can't become an esper. Not all genius or smart people can become an esper, but all high level espers (from Level 3 to 5) are smart and/or have high calculation ability. Got it now?

''and if you want proof well I notice two different styles of Imagine breaker negating abilities for example in the anime some times when an attack makes contact with his arm it would just be negated. but there also times when an attack like Thomson sand wall or awaki's move point going out of control would make contact with his arm and the attack would shatter into actual glass literaly and then seconds dissappears not only is this shown in the anime but also in the illastrations of the light novels as well. the second style of negation is what I consider his esper ability because glass is created by the use of science.''

Funny how you say that it's not proven that espers need calc ability for their powers but you call this weak point a proof. Maybe you should check the meaning of the word in a dictionary. The only reason why IB negates things in different way is because these thing are different and so they are negated differently. I'm not talking about the difference between magical attack and espers attack as not all spells and spiritual item are negated/destroyed in the same way an it has been shown, implied and explained a lot of times. And if you really want to use a source, at least use the novel and not JC Staff's second rate anime adaptation and the scenes you talk about aren't even depicted in the novel illustrations so don't grasp at straws. IB negating something is rarely showed in novel images and one can hardly tell the difference of the negations from them.

His ability works in how gunha controls his and I know gunha is a gemstone and his powers are unexplainable but I doubt he uses calculations for his ability what so ever and I'm not saying touma is a gemstone the way he controls it is similar to gunha's way of controling his ability and as I said before this is only a theory.

All AC's espers uses cals ability for their esper power and all these esper power are science-related so what you are saying makes no sense. And I wouldn't be so sure Gunha and gemstones in general don't use calc ability if I were you. For example Gunha really believed that he created a physical phenomena with his power so maybe he actually did calculations, but since he doesn't understand how exactly his power works he can't use it properly. However it doesn't mean he doesn't have the required calc ability (e.g. Accel wasn't able to understand Dark Matter at first but he had the required calc abiltiy to manipulated it, which he showed soon after, and magic seem to have vectors too so with the right knowledge he could probably manipulated its vectors too; Alesiter calculated the location of True Gremlin's hidden phase with math).

forgot to metion that the dragons limit touma's control over is esper ability and his esper ability limits control on the dragons vice versa when his arm is attached.

This equilibrium doesn't add up. If Touma has no control over the ability then the ability is pretty useless so it can't limit the dragons. But since this is an ability you completely made up with zero base you can obviously give any explanation you want but it's not creating a theory but a fantasy so discussing about it is pretty useless. And as said above the third power, which for reason unknown you believe to be an esper power, is stated to be stronger than IT in vol 22. Also, IT is implied to evolve so one day could become stronger than the third power. According to this the equilibrium between these power didn't exit before and wont's exist in the future.