Forum:(Character Discussion) Kamijou Touma

This discussion is migrated from the Talk:Kamijou Touma article.

Regarding the article's length
I've noticed that the Chronology section for Touma is too long; I think someone should summarize it because it has too much detail on it. Just a suggestion. :) Herald of meridian 23:36, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Feel free to edit it, I'm just putting stuff because the article seems neglected.121.54.35.134 10:44, March 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Rather than just summarize it, this page actually needs a good clean up. Specially the Abilities sections, where there are a lot of speculations about the Imagine Breaker. --Libra00 00:11, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

About Touma's Age
According to the light novels, Touma is two years older than Misaka Mikoto, and Mikoto is stated to be 14 yrs old. That makes Touma around 16 rather than 17-18 as currently stated, though I currently forgot the precise section of which novel I got that from, and will refrain from editing this bit until confirmation.

Well since the introduction he was already 16, he should be about 17(no idea why 18 -.-;)


 * Quite true that touma stated 2 years older then mikoto but it now stated precisely 2 years, plus Touma is a high school student (in Japan means 2nd grade of high school), so he probably about 17-18 years old, not sure with Index, but with Itsuwa, it confirmed that Itsuwa same or a year younger then him.


 * Vol.17 says that Itsuwa age is 16.


 * I also found that Kaori is older then touma by one year, Kaori is 18 so it makes Touma 17


 * By the way, could someone help me uploading picture about Touma ? Thx for your responses ^^


 * in volume 12 it is said that Tooma is a first year student and in volume 1 it says that tooma's star sign is Aquarius(born between 20th January and 18th February which means Tooma is 15/16 depending on the grading system used in Japan.


 * Taking in consideration the grading system and that Touma is Aquarius so he should be about 16-17.


 * See Here. Education in Japan, Aquarius . Being Aquarius myself, I remember being 15-16 in Year 10 (1st Year of High School in Japan). And since it is October in the novels now, he should definitely be 16.


 * That's why there is the "about" word, now that I've checked that site, Toma definitely must be 16.

Chronology Additions
Can anyone who has read the light novels add summaries to the Chronology section...also pics might help?...---TheGreatEye 10:11, April 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok,I will try but don't hope so much. oh by the way, there are several translated ones in baka-tsuki.org ... WiliamZ

Could this be considered as a quote?
“A Level 0 like me that can be found everywhere, do you really think I’m that great?! Hero? Villain? Don’t joke around. As long as you’re not standing in that spot you can’t save anyone?! In front of your eyes is someone that can only cry! Someone that can only clench their teeth, not even able to say the words ‘Save me’! That’s enough! All you have to do is stand up! You don’t need any reason! If you do that, it doesn’t matter if you’re being used as a shield!

I don’t know what you’re trying to protect, nor do I know the details of how you got hurt. But, if you want to protect that child then do so with your chest held high! Here and now, proudly think ‘I want to protect her!’ This is your life right? Then decide for yourself! Think about what you want to protect with your own two hands, what to discard and what to take with you. But, what do you want to do yourself?! Is this really alright? Idolize someone who you don’t understand that well, then hand over your most precious thing to him, are you satisfied like this?!”

Touma to Accelerator Vol. 20.


 * It seems too long..its more like a monologue..But one can take a part of the above text and use it as a quote...--TheGreatEye 04:40, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks fine for me. After all, Touma's section is already big and adding that quote is not going to be a big change.


 * Then i will adding the first half to the quotes.

Is it True or False?
First:

“I’ve once made a promise to someone: that I will protect Mikoto and the world she live in." <= this sentence I found in volume 8, when Touma save Kuroko, of course she (Kuroko) asked the reason why Touma help her and he said "I don't need a reason to save someone." and also this sentence. I’ve once made a promise to "someone"

Is "someone" here refer to Etzali, so this probably the one that Mikoto hear in the "fake date" and if it is correct can I add that sentence became one of Touma's quote

Second:

I read this sentence here => Touma still only sees his fighting capability as "capable of winning one-on-one, maybe possible of winning two-on-one, and run away when it is three-on-one".

I don't think Touma fighting capability weak he alone even can handle the terrorists that hijack the plane in Vol 17 and almost kill them.

Note the terrorists that hijack the plane is full armed also skilled brawler and there are many of the. to think Touma able to beat them, I would say he is very strong physically and also a very skilled fighter.

Three:

Before Touma lost his memory (in Vol 1) Touma comment Aogami as someone "Strong" to help him fight against magicians and save Index, I also found that Chinese fans have speculated a lot about Aogami too because of that incident. Shame Touma lost his memories though and didn't remember what Aogami can do. Just who the hell actually Aogami is?


 * Well that sentence is only Touma's point of view, he could still be wrong in his own assessment of his ability. Flere821 08:12, May 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * First question: Indeed, it is Etzali who Touma is referring to, the one who was the fake Unabara Mitsuki during Touma and Mikoto's "fake date"
 * Second question: It is simply an assertion on Touma's own capability. We all know that he can surpass such limits during certain times (like ther terrorist hijacking the plane), but to Touma that is normally what he thinks of his physical capabilities.
 * Third question: As of now we can only ascertain that Aogami Piasu is simply Touma's classmate. He is an otaku and someone who likes a lot women character archetypes. What his true role in Toaru Majutsu no Index is yet to be known.
 * TheGreatEye 14:40, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Touma's "Mind's Eye"
A New Question:

You guys already know about Touma's 'Mind's Eye', here is a question, is it's true that his "Mind's Eye" only work for esper power he should be dead by magician and second during vol 17 at plane hijack 2 terrorists shot Touma but somehow Touma able to sense it and escaped from death, does this is also because of the "mind's eye", if it is true then Touma "mind's eye" not only worked for any supernatural power but also physical object WiliamZ 16:55, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well the '"Mind's Eye' of Touma, in accord to Accelerator volume 20 is Precognition(found on some sites that this ability is disregarded by science as some kind of ESP and is more pointed to be a spiritual power), yeah, probably is that way, do you remember the I-beams rain throwed at him by Accelerator?? Touma would be already crushed like an insect. For sure he has a very good reaction when it come to magic attacks and esp attacks.Lero 17:43, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * According to Accelerator, Touma's 'Mind's Eye' works on just about everything. In plain words the minds eye is just look for minuscule tell-tale signs that indicate what the opponent is going to do next. Supposedly some martial arts masters can do the same thing. On a side note, when Touma fought the terrorists not a single gunshot was fired. Flere821 01:00, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

A New Suggestion
Why don't we also adding Touma article about what he do in light novel since the anime not talking about the detail of his doing (like several character ex: Misaka & Accelerator), not only limited by the anime


 * Just wait the headings are ready, is just we need some time, RL.Lero 17:14, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * One is free to add light novel details on the article, we were just reluctant is all..---TheGreatEye 01:03, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Anyone can edit the page, provided the information is mostly accurate. Only in certain circumstances would people wait for one person to do a whole page - for example, I'm doing (or did) the volume 20 summaries, and there's really no point in having two person doing a novel. For character pages however I don't think that will be a problem, just pick different sections. Flere821 01:15, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Mikoto vs. Touma
In the Toaru Kagaku no Railgun manga, in the afternoon of the day that Touma met Index. Mikoto once again bumps into and challenges him into another duel and later electrocute several electric devices, prompting them to run away.. She later asks him to be more serious..which he did..and in the later pages it is revealed that Mikoto has lost..


 * The question is..does this duel actually occur in the novels? I wanna check..---TheGreatEye 15:10, July 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about the bit in the Index Anime episode 1? If so, then it was played out a bit differently in the novels - Touma didn't fight Mikoto, only asked if he can seriously go all out, before he stopped that act seeing how Mikoto ended up being scared of the possible outcomes Touma can do to her, seeing he managed to beat her without even attacking in their past duels. Flere821 09:55, July 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ahh..thanks for the confirmation---TheGreatEye 11:09, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

An Interesting Find
in volume 1 it is stated that Touma is Aquarius right? Found an article on Aquarius: http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm

The article is a very accurate description of Touma's personality; it is very clear that this is deliberately intended. This article be used as reference to expand on the section on Touma's personality.

Just Asking
i read the manga on Shizuri vs Mikoto and I just want to ask if the battle happened in the light novels. Yes, Railgun has been confirmed to be canon by the light novel creator so this and Level Upper actually occured.


 * The battle between Mugino and Mikoto does not happen in the light novels, but yes, you're right about the canonicity of that event. heraldofmeridian♣ 01:31, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Ars Magna & Imagine Breaker's Canceling Speed
Ars Magna was never shown to have surpassed Imagine Breaker's cancelling speed - so can people stop putting this bit in, thanks. Flere821 07:23, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * By the Way, it seems that Ars Magna never created a dragon hand for Touma in vol 22, i got info that Touma himself defeat Fiamma using the dragon arm after Fiamma forcefully remove Imagine Breaker from Touma (by cut his right arm) and only to get pawned by the dragon arm WiliamZ 14:33, October 6, 2010 (UTC) source for info at forums.animesuki.com


 * Better wait for the 22nd volume to come out before changing or adding anything.---TheGreatEye 15:03, October 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Waiting for it can't make me quiet better looking for info and wait vol 22 to confirm it, well now i will looking for info and another theory, by the way seems kamijou "dead" for the second time this time no body found after "Star of Bethlehem" fall, only misaka that found his Gekota strap WiliamZ 03:37, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

My hypothesis of Imagine Breaker
does anyone think that the imagine breaker is a defense because his right hand is a vessel for some great power as said on kamijou Touma character page .So his imagine breaker just protects his REAL power from going out of control  ,keeps his power in check and others from damaging it. or maybe imagine breaker is being suppressed by his arm of flesh, only being able to nullify stuff.
 * This speculation is addressed in the Imagine Breaker article, I believe.49.145.13.155 11:13, January 24, 2013 (UTC)