Talk:Kakine Teitoku/@comment-24007030-20140728023821/@comment-5230978-20140818174434

''Muginos power really cant help her recover but wasnt she unconscious until dark legacy and HC healed/helped her? Or did she do something before gaining help?''

True, but she was still able to stand up and use her ability before Hamazura knocked her out, like Accel when he got headshotted. Even Accel wouldn't have been able to survive without HC's treatments. Mugino was cured by a machine created by HC time ago and Accel by HC himself. There is a huge difference.

''im not sure but wasnt ollerus still powerful enough to defeat two saints and hold them away from othinus+touma? he did lose most of his power but he overcame it with will-power (gunha-like ;D )''

He was stated to be weaker than a normal magician and he didn't use magic in NT10. Even NT8 he had his bones shattered, his flesh bursted, and an arm blowed up by Othinus without even defending and he remained unperturbed, so he is a monster in term of endurance even without using magic.

i still think that fiamma didnt lose his whole HR, maybe he simply cant control it (this is still somehow uncertain)(his wiki site needs some updates (for lsdap mode and non-right-arm mode))

Yes, he has a nerfed HR, but what I'm saying is that he didn't used it in NT 8 and yet survived Othinus' fierce attack, being still able to fight.

True, well, i would have still liked to know if she 'evolved' into a being similar to aiwass :(

No, she wasn't. There's no real need to wait confirmation for this as you can easily tell it by yourself if you know Aiwass.

Didnt kakine use his dark matter for a strange explosion against saiai?

Yes, a strange explosion, not a black sphere or something else which exploded later. Kakine can do more than creating things with his Dark Matter.