Talk:Fiamma of the Right/@comment-95.90.229.144-20140115093619/@comment-11571396-20140117123846

Hm, what is this?

...well I pretty much agree with Kamina and Anon here, your conclusions are incorrect, and your 2.0 version still is wrong:

1. WWM Accelerator was never proven to have changed Aeon, it's actually a rumour from fanon that was never confirmed. The Wiki is wrong, or at least inaccurate. There is no mention in the novels that Accel has reached the Aeon of Horus, not at the end of Index v22, or the subsequent novels (NT 1-8). Besides, that doesn't make him equal to Aiwass (who is in it much longer and is also immortal), nor superior to Aleister who is also in the Aeon of Horus.

2. No, BWM Accelerator is not equal to LPSAD Fiamma or Ollerus, stop putting him among the big players for no reason. As pointed out, a normal, Level 0 Touma beat him, so there is no reason to think the most powerful Magicians of the Magic Side won't beat him. Yes he can understand impossible laws, thing is Ollerus and Fiamma operates on the level of concepts (power that cannot be described, can't be explained, and can't be comprehended; power allowing automatic defense and counter force defeating as strong as it needs to be), not laws. It took Aleister who is from the Aeon of Horus (which Wings Mode isn't in) to beat weakened Fiamma, so there is that too.

3. The third power of Touma is too ambiguous to be allowed here, me thinks. For all we know, it could just have been Touma's willpower, which is just as valid as a supernatural action.

4. What is Winged Kakine doing being equal to Magical Fiamma? He was beaten by BWM Accelerator who was beaten by Touma who was beaten by Fiamma. THe order doesn't make a modicrum of sense.

5. It doesn't matter if Fiamma doesn't use vectors, his Holy Right gives no ''fuck about physics. '' It doesn't use vectors, it uses the concept 'I reach you with my attack', which is automatic loss for anyone. You also forget that Fiamma's Holy Right has an auto-defence and auto-target functionality (Index v22, it protected him from AC's satellite attack, and promptly sends out a beam to destroy said satellite). By Fiamma's words: "My right arm responds to the need, matches to the level of trials and tribulations, and uses the most suitable output. Whether it is an optical weapon or whatever else, nothing can stand up to me. (Index v22)."

Meaning the true 2.0 is: Aiwass > Aleister > Perfect Majin Othinus > Normal Majin Othinus ≥ Touma (IT) (?) > LPSaD Fiamma > Magical Fiamma > Ollerus ≥ Base Fiamma > Archangel Gabriel ≥ White Wings Accelerator (?) > MadeofDarkMatter Kakine ≥ Black Wings Accelerator > Base Accelerator (crippled or not) > Kakine (winged or not, was beaten by Accel without his wings) > GRS Acqua > Kanzaki/Silvia/Brunhild > esper (under Level 5)/normal magican > Touma (IB)