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<!-- TLR Really a bummer that the heads in NTR22 are too far apart, it would have been great Do you need help to fill out the World section or are you already working on it? Same question as above for the Characters section. Wouldn't a character menu in the World section be redundant if there is already a Character section? I feel like, in the Series menu for the Novels section, "List of Light Novels and Other Literary Works" and "Toaru Majutsu no Index (light novel)" should switch places so the latter is the first item in the list. Still in the Novels section, my personal opinion is that the Skill Out-Uprising arc should probably be added to the GRS menu. It's an SS but it feels way more like a regular volume and its arc is directly linked to the GRS events and WW3 builtup, unlike the other SS which are more disparate and/or self-contained. But just my personal opinion. Maybe add the parody stories to the side stories menu? Not really a point of contention, but couldn't Astral Buddy be added to the Railgun menu in the Manga section, since it's a gaiden series? It's just that I find the menus for the manga section pretty empty with only one item each. Would the Virtual-On manga also go in the Specials menu of Manga? Though the Virtual-On thing as a whole with the associated stories would be confusing to situate I think. The Kamachi multicrossovers too is a bit of a weird situation.

6 days ago

OH&S @The Lord Reader: Haven't thought too hard about the World slide yet. Any suggestions are welcome. Likewise for the Characters section The characters in the World Section would just be the main characters. The Characters section would be more in-depth: see OP Wiki Slider. I'll think about switching the links in Novels >> Series. Nothing is final after all. No strong opinion about the placement of Skill-Out Uprising. I've tested it out in both places. Only thing I feel strongly about is that Skill-Out Uprising needs to be in the same place as Gemstone Mining as they are both from the same SS series. The current location was chosen to match the list of light novels page. Will think about parody stories. Haven't decided what to populate the Manga section with yet. My gut tells me to keep Astral Buddy separate. Virtual-On manga would go in the Special section. Likewise for the Novel. Likewise for the main crossover.

Edited by OH&S 6 days ago

The Lord Reader My current thoughts: World Setting Setting Glossary Unified Story Timeline Science Magic Magic-Science Treaty Academy City Characters Kamijou Touma Index Librorum Prohibitorum Accelerator Hamazura Shiage Misaka Mikoto Espers Magicians Normal Characters (link to Category:Normal Characters) Aleister Crowley Organizations Academy City Anglican Church Roman Catholic Church Russian Orthodox Church God's Right Seat Golden Dawn GREMLIN Gremlin (True) Locations Academy City United Kingdom Vatican Russia Magic Mana Idol Theory Grimoire Spiritual Item Telesma Power of the World Magic Cabal Christianity Kabbalah Thelema Aeon Phase Angel Magic God Science Power Curriculum Program AIM Personal Reality Imaginary Number District–Five Elements Institution Level 5 Hard Science Endymion Powered Suit Cyborg Level Upper Parameter List Sisters Kihara Family SYSTEM Unique Imagine Breaker Miracle Fräulein Kreutune Anti-Art Attachment Aleister's Plan

Sorry for Academy City showing up multiple times, but it's a central part of the setting and is both a location and an organization. My reasoning for the characters was the three heroes, the unofficial fourth (Mikoto), and the main heroine in the series' title, then categories of characters. Aleister Crowley is the central antagonist that created the setting in a way so he is on his own. Almost added Junko to the heroes because she is now a protagonist with her own series, but if I added every people who got to be protagonist of side stories (Kuroko, Kanzaki, Styil, Itsuwa, etc.), it would never end. I wasn't sure about how to go for organizations so I went for all encompassing categories: AC, the Churches, then the more individual magic groups. I wanted to add the orgs important to the heroes and series in more detail, but it would have bloated the result (Judgment, Necessarius, Skill-Out, GROUP/rest of Dark Side, Kihara, etc.), so I went in a more general direction. Finally, I tried to restrain the items in the magic/science sections to terminology or concepts that would be central to the series' plot. You can ask any further questions if my list is still confusing or if you want me to explain my reasoning.

Edited by The Lord Reader 5 days ago

The Lord Reader My thoughts on characters: Characters Academy City Kamijou Touma Tsuchimikado Motoharu Saten Ruiko Uiharu Kazari Tsukuyomi Komoe Heaven Canceller Kazakiri Hyouka Last Order Sisters Level 5 Skill-Out Judgment Anti-Skill Academy City Board of Directors Tokiwadai Misaka Mikoto Shirai Kuroko Shokuhou Misaki Hokaze Junko Dark Side GROUP ITEM SCHOOL MEMBER BLOCK Scavenger Freshman Disciplinary Action Hound Dog Kihara Family DRAGON United Kingdom Index Librorum Prohibitorum Stiyl Magnus Kanzaki Kaori Archbishop Lola Stuart Necessarius Queen Elizard British Royal Family Knights of England New Light Dawn-Colored Sunlight Roman Catholic Church Matthai Reese Pietro Yogdis God's Right Seat Orsola Aquinas Agnese Sanctis Lidvia Lorenzetti GREMLIN Othinus Thor Marian Slingeneyer Mjölnir True GREMLIN High Priest Nephthys Niang-Niang Kamisato Faction Kamisato Kakeru Salome Karasuma Fran Elza Arimura Ellen Tazuma Claire Toyama Luca Golden Dawn Aleister Crowley Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers Mina Mathers Swami Laura Horos Aiwass Coronzon Anna Sprengel

I added some other categories if it's not too much of a problem. In Golden Dawn I put the members and characters related/instrumental to it.

Edited by The Lord Reader 5 days ago

OH&S @The Lord Reader: I like parts of the World slide suggestions you made. Still a bit iffy on the characters slide suggestions. I still need to think about it. Also, I have updated the Novels slide content and the Manga slide background. I am happy with these two changes.

2 days ago

OH&S Updated the Novels and Anime slide content. I think the Novels content is perfect now. The first three tabs in the Anime slide content are also perfect. Still need to sort out the Soundtracks and Theme Songs. Still drawing blanks on how to organize the Characters slide. Though I'll probably move on to the Manga slide next. This turned out to be a lot more tougher than I originally expected... -->

TLR's Suggestions:
 * Characters
 * Academy City
 * Kamijou Touma
 * Tsuchimikado Motoharu
 * Saten Ruiko
 * Uiharu Kazari
 * Tsukuyomi Komoe
 * Heaven Canceller
 * Kazakiri Hyouka
 * Last Order
 * Sisters
 * Level 5
 * Skill-Out
 * Judgment
 * Anti-Skill
 * Academy City Board of Directors
 * Tokiwadai
 * Misaka Mikoto
 * Shirai Kuroko
 * Shokuhou Misaki
 * Hokaze Junko
 * Dark Side
 * GROUP
 * ITEM
 * SCHOOL
 * MEMBER
 * BLOCK
 * Scavenger
 * Freshman
 * Disciplinary Action
 * Hound Dog
 * Kihara Family
 * DRAGON
 * United Kingdom
 * Index Librorum Prohibitorum
 * Stiyl Magnus
 * Kanzaki Kaori
 * Archbishop Lola Stuart
 * Necessarius
 * Queen Elizard
 * British Royal Family
 * Knights of England
 * New Light
 * Dawn-Colored Sunlight
 * Roman Catholic Church
 * Matthai Reese
 * Pietro Yogdis
 * God's Right Seat
 * Orsola Aquinas
 * Agnese Sanctis
 * Lidvia Lorenzetti
 * GREMLIN
 * Othinus
 * Thor
 * Marian Slingeneyer
 * Mjölnir
 * True GREMLIN
 * High Priest
 * Nephthys
 * Niang-Niang
 * Kamisato Faction
 * Kamisato Kakeru
 * Salome
 * Karasuma Fran
 * Elza
 * Arimura Ellen
 * Tazuma Claire
 * Toyama Luca
 * Golden Dawn
 * Aleister Crowley
 * Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers
 * Mina Mathers
 * Swami Laura Horos
 * Aiwass
 * Coronzon
 * Anna Sprengel

TLR's Suggestions:
 * World
 * Setting
 * Setting
 * Glossary
 * Unified Story Timeline
 * Science
 * Magic
 * Magic-Science Treaty
 * Academy City
 * Characters
 * Kamijou Touma
 * Index Librorum Prohibitorum
 * Accelerator
 * Hamazura Shiage
 * Misaka Mikoto
 * Espers
 * Magicians
 * Normal Characters (link to Category:Normal Characters)
 * Aleister Crowley
 * Organizations
 * Academy City
 * Anglican Church
 * Roman Catholic Church
 * Russian Orthodox Church
 * God's Right Seat
 * Golden Dawn
 * GREMLIN
 * Gremlin (True)
 * Locations
 * Academy City
 * United Kingdom
 * Vatican
 * Russia
 * Magic
 * Mana
 * Idol Theory
 * Grimoire
 * Spiritual Item
 * Telesma
 * Power of the World
 * Magic Cabal
 * Christianity
 * Kabbalah
 * Thelema
 * Aeon
 * Phase
 * Angel
 * Magic God
 * Science
 * Power Curriculum Program
 * AIM
 * Personal Reality
 * Imaginary Number District–Five Elements Institution
 * Level 5
 * Hard Science
 * Endymion
 * Powered Suit
 * Cyborg
 * Level Upper
 * Parameter List
 * Sisters
 * Kihara Family
 * SYSTEM
 * Unique
 * Imagine Breaker
 * Miracle
 * Fräulein Kreutune
 * Anti-Art Attachment
 * Aleister's Plan

Slider Experiments

 * Thread

Rough Question Notes (28/06/2019):
 * Organization
 * Column structure? Trying to keep equal?
 * Russian Church (one of the three main churches) & Annihilatus - omission due to not being featured as much yet? (asked)
 * Positioning of the Kamijou Faction (not official organization yet could still fit, while core in AC - not limited to AC)
 * Picture: Academy City or Star of Bethlehem
 * Slightly unsure about category column structure (noted)
 * Magic/Science - High Concepts? Now Core Principles
 * Unique section - has mind changed on dissolution and integration into other sections (asked)
 * Personal Slider Experiment - going to use spare tabs for different versions of another tab for quick comparison purposes (noted)
 * Perhaps ask others about what they think in terms of intimidation, clutter and sparsity(?)

Rough Question Notes (29/06/2019):

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OH&S Feedback Draft
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Sorry to keep you waiting, OH&S. Here's my feedback on the slider (most of it seems fine, several of my questions/comments are about reasoning rather than problems) - (apologies if this is a bit fuzzy due to tiredness):
 * OVERALL: The slider as a whole is very good and doesn't have any major problems - most of my queries and issues are fairly minor. Slider images at the time of writing fit fine.
 * We've already discussed and understand how column balance is desired and I've considered this while thinking about certain bits of my feedback.
 * As already mentioned, I did have a bit of problem with the pure column approach at first, but the dividing lines helped to remedy it.
 * One thing that I was thinking for the media slides is that for the media headers, we could tweak them to remove the brackets with the media type (seeing as it is a bit redundant, given its position in the specific slide)(e.g. on the NOVELS slide, Toaru Majutsu no Index (light novel) to Toaru Majutsu no Index)
 * I haven't thought about it too much and it isn't really a problem at present, but what are your thoughts regarding spoilers and the slider?
 * HOME: The Home Slide is good to go. 'World & Setting' fits fine.
 * WORLD & SETTING: This is the main area of review.
 * Setting & For New Users are ready as far as I'm concerned. Special seems OK to go with current subjects (agree with selection, FK? Others if really necessary?)
 * I'm not sure about the inclusion of the newly added Characters tab (doesn't feel necessary)/(clip SM)
 * The main tabs I'm focusing on are Organizations/Locations/Magic/Science (mostly the latter two)
 * NOVELS
 * Bracket stuff mentioned before.
 * The structure for this slide and its tabs looks good, though I think the columns on the first tab could do with a minor adjustment (perhaps move the columns below the header)
 * With regards to the earlier parody stories suggestion, so far as I know, it is fully covered by the existing Short Stories link, so we're OK there.
 * MANGA
 * Bracket stuff mentioned before.
 * Semi-related Note: Considering Nectar Arc article.
 * ANIME
 * Bracket stuff mentioned before.
 * Are we really keeping Cloverfield?
 * CHARACTERS
 * With regards to the earlier discussion regarding the slide image, I agree with your reasoning and with keeping the current image (there is a lack of other recent images which would be suitable).
 * Although I wouldn't have gone with the Arc-based format, I think you've done it well and got a good balance already, so I think we should go with this one. (take too long to get a balance with Type-based)
 * I have considered the question of spoilers under Main Characters, though I personally don't think it is a problem for the most part (the choice of tab name helps).
 * A couple of minor things concerning the Fall of Academy City tab; given her role in the arc, we could perhaps add the Female Knight (it would also balance the columns), and there's probably enough room for Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers in full.

Feedback, Main

 * WORLD
 * Key Tabs
 * Organizations:
 * I agree with the condensed Dark Side link as there are too many individual factions to have separate ones. I also agree with Gremlin covering both groups and Magic Side covering the Magic Cabals. We've already discussed the Kamijou Faction's position and we're both fine with that.
 * I understand the reasoning behind the Russian Orthodox Church not being included (which we discussed earlier), though I have wondered about it.
 * I have also wondered if we should make a slight tweak to the order of the UK list or not (perhaps moving the Royals/Knights up, which are currently below Amakusa (P.S. presume disregarding pre-V7 as we're far past that point now (perfectly fine by me))).
 * Locations:
 * I agree with having the two category links covering countries and other locations (minor side note - was thinking that if the left column ended up longer from a tweak, then Vatican or Elizalina can be brought in to balance the columns).
 * Although I understand the exclusion of homes and dorms, I was thinking that the Kamijou Residence could be added to the list, given its prominence.
 * Still compiling...


 * Locations
 * Compiling
 * I agree with general individual subject selection and feel the following individual AC subjects are vital (i.e. definitely not to be removed): A Certain High School, Tokiwadai Middle School, Windowless Building, Heaven Canceller's Hospital. I also agree with the City Map, Schools and Locations general links.
 * School Garden (notable feature to include)(1/2 1/2)
 * Presence of Endymion(?)(Movie Centre)
 * Reformatory not included (OK)


 * Magic:
 * I think we should probably include Spiritual Item in one of the lists (Principles or Terminology, slightly leaning towards former).
 * I agree with the inclusion of Saint as the representative example of symbolic/magically-gifted individuals and Telesma as the representative of phase energy.
 * Still compiling...


 * Magic
 * Compiling
 * I agree with the general individual subject selection for Principles/Terminology and feel the following individual subjects are vital (i.e. definitely not to be removed): Magic, Idol Theory, Infection Magic, Magicians, Mana, Magic Circle, Magic Cabal, Magic God, Power of the World, Grimoire, Temple, Telesma, Saint, People-Clearing Field, Angel/Demon.


 * For Magic Formats, Christianity, Norse Mythology, Thelema have priority over Onmyoudou, Kabbalah and Tarot.
 * I was thinking about tweaking the order for Magic Formats. Order aside however, out of the current selection, I think Christianity, Norse Mythology, Thelema have staying priority then Kabbalah (due to upcoming), then Tarot (due to upcoming) and then Onmyoudo (I was wondering if we should keep this or switch for one of the other Eastern formats). Given prominence, I was thinking about perhaps adding either Modern Western Magic or Golden-style Magic as the first item on the format list.
 * I was thinking about tweaking the order for Magic Formats (dif East example from Onm)(Modern Western Magic or Golden first)(Kablh/Tarot 2ndary/remove?)
 * Modern Western Magic or Golden-style first due to prominence
 * With regards to general subject selection...
 * (Soul/Occult. Aztec/MWM/Gold/Bud/Shin/Alc/Ast/Flk)(MagicLF, (Golem/Vampire/Ghost/Dragon/Fairy), God)
 * 4 Elements/MG/Saint/Curse
 * Curse lower priority, Magic Life Form/God/Occult/Soul low priority, Transcendent life forms - Article not ready (overlap with S?), Soul to Magic or Special? (Low)
 * Magic God - Principles over Terminology (thoughts - don't disagree)
 * Four Elements - lower priority, additional aspect (over as West/East)
 * Considered Magic life forms, God, Soul


 * Science:
 * I agree with the Other selection with the Abilities, Experiments and Technology general links.
 * I understand why the Technology section was excluded, though I feel that we could perhaps tweak its presence up a bit (perhaps include a Hard Science or Bank link sub-bullet point under the AC tech link, which would also balance the columns), given its part in Science besides Espers.
 * Still compiling...


 * Science
 * Compiling
 * I agree with the general individual subject selection and feel the following individual subjects are vital (i.e. definitely not to be removed): Science, Personal Reality, AIM, Espers, Curriculum, SYSTEM, System Scan, Level 5, Gemstone, Parameter List, Imaginary Number District.


 * With regards to general subject selection...
 * Body Crystal lower importance, minor ordering
 * Not incl yet (LU/Res/BrainNet/AIMJam)(Thoughts)
 * (Not incl Tech - Tree Diagram, Bank, Hard Science, 5Over, Test, PSuit)
 * With regards to minor subjects considered, AIM Diffusion Field Resonance/Brainwave Network
 * Esper to above Personal Reality