Talk:Kamijou Touma/@comment-5.108.23.66-20141108080108/@comment-5230978-20141109122317

^^^Yes

^^however touma has the Imagine Breaker and Precognition, which allows him to fight on par(or survive) against a Magic God like Othinus

Sorry, but I guess we are following different series. Precognition doesn't work when Touma faces oppenents moving at high speed and it didn't when Accel moved at supersonic speed in NT 10. Precognition works with ranged attacks, but if the area of effect is so large that he would be hit no matter what it doesn't matter whether it activates or not, and Accel showed a lot of this attacks. Also, Touma didn't survived Othinus. He was able to counter Othinus 100% positeve only thanks to the experience he gained with his thousands of death, not thanks to his Precognition. It's true that he used Precognition against Othinus 100% negative but compared to the other attacks she used befaro the crossbow was fare more predictable and yet in the end he found death there too.

Imagine Breaker + Precognition is like Terra of the Left's spell "Blessing of Light" or something

What? The way they work is totally different as they are totally different type of abiltiy both by nature and functioning. IB doesn't even have offensive application.

so i wouldnt rule out touma losing to accelerator cuz touma could and can do some things that we would not even think about like what he did against kanzaki in NT 10

The strategy used against Kanzaki worked only becasue of her personality and was enough to beat her or the others. And we are talking about a normal 1 vs 1, so using other enemies to his advantege is not an option.

Accelerator is like Othinus at 100%success rate and Touma is like Othinus at 100% failure rate, so the outcome of a serious fight between the two is unknown (although it is in Accelerators favor) As 100% negative Othinus is still a monster that can destory planets, it not an appropriate example. That Accel would win in a normal "fair" 1 vs 1 fight is something obvious that there shouldn't even be need to discuss about.

''^touma beat accel. 3 times''

accel with awakening mode

I wonder if you understood we are talking about a 1 vs 1 fair fight.

1st fight: Accel underestimated Touma at first due to his pride and arrogance. Then he strated fight seriously and he was about to win but Mikoto and the Sisters ruined his plasma ball. Then Touma stood up and he attacked him out of fear. Just before being punched he remembered his original goal, realized what he has done and lost his will to fight. Then he is punched and defeated (but we know from his fight with Kihara that he is more thoug than that).

2nd fight: Accel losed his mind and awakened. Even retaining some analytcal ability he coludn't keep a cool head and was unable to use his esper power (enhanced or not) and the inexplicable power. He only used his wings, which, despite being destructive, are easy to counter with Precognition and since they seem connectd to Accel's body, like the arc fusion blades with Thor, Touma could also make him lose balance.

3rd fight: Accel lost on purpose.