Talk:Kamijou Touma/Abilities and Powers/@comment-3969505-20140830211054/@comment-25093611-20140902162010

''It's stated that IT and iB are two different powers. IT split Fiamma's attack in two and the dragons devoured the dark sphere and these are totally different actions from negating an attack. If IT and/or the dragons were a stronger IB then they would have negated those attacks even better and more neatly than IB but they didn't even negate them. ''

"devouring" like in: letting it vanish, correct? well, except that IB makes a PING and the dragon makes a ROAR there isnt a difference, both negated the supernatural force....

IT redirected AND weakened the attack of fiamma (because it was a attack which could destroy a planet and after redirecting it destroyed walls) somethig which IB already showed in accel vs touma #2...

And the IT attacked Othinus so it must have means to cause a certain sort of damage, whether it is physical, or mental, or spiritual, differently from IB.

Othinus is a special case, her whole body isnt even really human anymore, like thefact that she doesnt age... similar to ladylee or cendrillon or mijölnir, her body changed and isnt purely narutal, furthermore, it is possible that her magic god powers allowed her to grab the IT and smash it...

Dude, and what make you "theory" stable?

never said it was a stable theroy, i only wanted to point out that your counter-argument didnt "disprove" it :)

''And those who said and know that IB travels are between the few that know about IT: Othinus (who knows that IT appeared in WW3 and that it "evolve"), Fiamma (who better understood what IT is after his conversation with Aleister), Ollerus (who showed understanding about IT in Nt4 and with which Fiamma shared his knowledge about iT). ''

This is a good way to "disprove" my "theory"

''Given what they said they, especially Othinus, know what IT does and that it's more powerful than IB, but she was more concerned about IB and not IT. If IT was nothing but a stronger IB, as you believe, then she would have given more importance to IT and not IB. ''

Actually: If i hae someone who has the ability to fire a bullet directly into my head and as long as this someone doesnt com to a button with which he could fire a atom bomb, i would be more scared about the bullet...

IB is the bullet and IT the nuke, Othinus doesnt need to think about IT as long as it isnt a danger for her (since the danger will start only IF something happens to his right hand)..

But your argumant with othinus was good enough, i dont know with fiamma (did he ever say anything about IB travelling?)

''You say the dragon didn't harm anyone and you use Aureolus as reference but it couldn't be more wrong. The core of Ars Magna is not the memory, but the thought as Ars Magna manifests what Aureolus thinks. But more importantly, both memory and thought aren't supernatural phenomena, so a power which only affects supernatural power like IB or, as you believe, IT/dragons wouldn't be able to destroy something natural. Auroelus losing his memory because of the dragon, which is not confirmed to be IT, means that it can cause damages even if not physical. ''

Nope, it is exactly the same thing which happens to the magical stuff which is touched by IB... it breaks apart, like the pastel chalk of sherry, was the pastel chalk supernatural? i think it was a normal chalk until the spell was involved and "turned" it supernatural, than it was destroyed, the same happened to ars magna, you can read how what ars magnas core/medium is, it recreates the world in the mind of the magician, and where should this be stored? i would assume it is the memory-section...