Talk:Gungnir/@comment-222.127.91.72-20140427020702/@comment-176.63.19.41-20160213105652

Luck is the shield of the weak. In pure form, causality reversal is so powerful that it cannot be stopped by any means, as it's unavoidable. A spear with this ability should be unstoppable... as long as it's wielded by a protagonist. When a side character has this ability, it needs to be nerfed. Saber wasn't intended to die in the first battle of the series, and since she didn't have Avalon (Nasuverse's most powerful defense) that time, something that'd keep her alive was needed. We only know that it's possible to develone countermeasures once it's known that Gae Bolg aims the heart, but the method is never explained and Saber only survives because of her luck.

Rho Aias was made to withstand Hector's spear, a shield that would protect against any and all spear (during the Troian War, Hector was known as the best spearman of the world). Archer says that he didn't know about any spear that could pierce Aias, so he took advantage of the fact that Gae Bolg is a spear. Gae Bolg wasn't completely stopped (that was a big mistake by Studio Deen made in the movie), and even Archer was left damaged and Aias destroyed.

You are right about Ea: it's the most powerful weapon in Nasuverse, a legend which was crystallized before it could become a legend. With Ea, Gilgamesh could simply destroy the whole world around him while he'd be left completely unharmed. This is also the reason why Gil would never use it on full power. The energy blasts from Ea are able to destroy the half-formed Holy Grail, which can only be destroyed by Saber's Excalibur if she recieves a power boost from Command Spells. Ea is so OP that it's completely unfair.

Ea was only stopped twice: once by Avalon and once by Rho Aias. However, only Avalon was able to block it completely, without taking any damage. I'm pretty sure both Avalon and Aias would be able to stop this Gungnir, even if Aias would be destroyed during the process, it would stop it.

Both Gae Bolg and Original Gungnir were created by gods in their respective universes, Gae Bolg by Lugh and Gungnir by Odin. Odin is a father god in Norse mythology, while Lugh is "simply" (yeah, I just said "simply" when I was describing a god). If you read the legends, Odin feels stronger than Lugh (although I have no proof), but the fact that Archer says Lugh's weapon is stronger than Odin's original weapon is really something. Even Gilgamesh, who has the original Gae Bolg says that Lancer's spear is insanely strong, and would not let Lancer activate it.

And now the interesting part: even if this Gungnir is the most powerful weapon from the ones mentioned above, it still can be stopped. In Nasuverse, a weapon named Fragarach (did I spell it correctly) exists. In a battle of the two weapons' wielders, Gungnir's user would surely lose against Fragarach's user. Fragarach is the ultimate counter-attack, a sword which pierces the target's heart before he can activate his/her strongest attack, if in the future he/she has already activated it (I know it's confusing, just bear with it for now). This weapon takes advantage of the fact that the opponent's weapon is stronger, turning a strength into a weakness. Even if Gungnir is stronger, it cannot win against Fragarach, which is why Gilgamesh would never user Ea against Fragarach.

This is why Nasuverse is so great: even if you have the strongest weapon, it won't mean that you'll win for sure. Well, I guess it's true even for the Toaru verse.