Talk:Index Librorum Prohibitorum/@comment-36157690-20180725123731/@comment-76.180.83.104-20190724042211

OP: Really? To each their own I guess. I mean, the direct comparison would be last order, who is a literal child. Both can be annoying, but I like both of the characters. I find Kuroko really annoying but bearable (creepy sexual harassing stalker). But my least favorite is Musujime Awaki (during tree remnant arc), who has a nonsensical motivation, plan, and execution, and is essentially a worse Himegami in every way other than power. (powers = hurting people. Clearly, the best solution is to steal a supercomputer to make it so non-humans can have esper powers. How does this help me stop hurting people? I have no idea! How should I do this? Let's hurt a bunch of people!) (Shirai Kuroko dares point out how I could just use my powers for productive purposes, how I'm a hypocrite for hurting people, and how my plan doesn't help deal with my problems in the slightest? Let me go berserk and try to murder her in a convoluted fashion because self-reflection is for losers)

1st commenter: I would disagree. Index does do things like help Touma in fighting magicians, and do things that coincidentally end up driving the plot (meeting Hyouka and befriending her for instance). She also has her own personality and a clear way she interacts with the world (she wants to protect Touma from the magical world, she hates being left behind, she bites him if embarassed or angered, she'll help Touma as much as she can). If she was truly a McGuffin, she'd do nothing but be captured by magicians and need to be saved all the time, but this isn't the case.

2nd commenter: your complete incomprehensibility aside, you do have a point. People abuse Touma far too much in the series. But basically everyone does that, just with varying lethality (Mikoto could accidentally murder Touma if he makes a mistake, Index bites him, Othinus pulls his ear, Fukiyose punches him, etc). (and no, the fact that Mikoto's shocks are blocked is not relevant). So it's not really fair to apply it only to Index. It's a weird trope that female on male violence is funny rather than problematic.

3rd commenter: You're right in that Index is honestly a bit of an artifact title. Despite how I like the character, in the NT, the story focus shifts away from the grimoires because magic gods begin to show up (power creep at its finest). However, I don't think she's a 'failed' or 'outdated' character, but rather someone who you dislike. It may be because I personally have serious issues with the Othinus arc and her character though.