Talk:Kakine Teitoku/@comment-24007030-20140728023821/@comment-5230978-20140820145419

Im not only convinced that the black ball is made out of DM because it looks black like accels wings,

That's why I said "one of the reasons" and the sphere never being confirmed to be black still weakens that reason.

the description of gunha

Please, Gunha doesn't even understand his power. He wasn't even be able to regognize Mikoto as a Level 5 and is even less academically smart than the other Level 5s, not even undesranding what is physically possibile and making absurd theories about his power, so how can we trust his statement? He probably doesn't even know Kakine or at least what his power is and what it does. Also, for someone who lives in a world of science even magic, when anylized, could look somehting of another world. The sphere being of another world doesn't directly imply it's made of Dark Matter, it could just be created by an unphysical power, probably with angelic-like properties (probably like Accel's unexplainable power), given the halo Mikoto showed.

AND mikoto says that it is a power outside of this world

No, she didn't. She said it wasn't her power and then that it wasn't even an esper power, something Dark Matter is. She knew what Accel's esper power did even before meeting him, so she could easily know what the #2's power does, but even if she didn't she was still in direct contact (seemignly mental or trascendental) with the sphere's power and, given even her scientifical knowledge, she sould be able to tell if something is an esper power or not in that condition. Both Accel, Kakine and Mikoto have power-upped versions of their esper powers. Then Accel has even an unexplainable power (not a second esper power, which would be something of this world and Kakine stated he couldn't lose to this world when awakened, excluding magic that is unbeknown to him) not based on DM, and if Kakine has a new power too (likely), it wouldn't obviously be DM. Considering even these similiarities and Mikoto's statement, it's more likely that even Mikoto's unknown power wasn't related to Dark Matter.

conclusion: either the black ball was made out of DM or the IP (inexplicable power ), do we agree both to this ?

I said even before that I acknowledged these possibilities. What I was contesting is the DM theory to be the most likely, the fact that you where initially considering only that option and that it was msotly based on speculation-based .speculations.

so, the reason why i would prefer the DM is:

So in the end it was because you prefer that option that you insist with it. I though we were having a discussion devoid of personal preferences.

Summoning and controlling DM is easier than the IP:

Maybe yes, but Mikoto wasn't consciosly using that power, let alone controlling it. Like Accel when his mind "become angel-like", Mikoto was able to use that power with ease while she was in "trance", but after her mind returned to normality she wasn't able anymore.

''1. Accel always turned his mind into that of the "higher dimensional being" (the stuff you mentioned about his mind going into a higher dimension so that it could speak like a angel, this actually makes sense, he can remain stable despite such a feat),while he used the IP. Or he gained a "different"/more open/peaceful self (in WWM), and a hallo *_*.''

2. What you mentioned: which is probably what Gensei refers when he say that the personality transform into something of another dimension : mikotos mind didnt reach that lvl, she wouldnt survive it, she was stopped before she had (theoretically) access to IP

When I say that Mikoto could have used an inexplicable power I'm not saying that she has the same of Accel, but a different one, maybe with similar laws, but a different power, so even if she didn't reach 53% it doesn't mean that she wasn't able to use an unexplainable power and that she used DM. Also Mikoto would have died only after reaching 100% not 53%.

3. I agree that a inexplicable force doesnt need to manifest anything, this is one of the reasons why i think that the black ball is made out of DM, and not the IP.

It doesn't make sense. You wrote "but i highly doubt that, everytime accel used it, it was truly inexplicable, it never manifested anything," as if you were saying that all inexplicable powers had to manifest something and then I wrote "And who said powers need to manifest something? Does Hliðskjálf, another unexplainable power, manifest something?", showing that your statement wasn't correct, but this doesn't mean that an inexplicable power can't create something, only that it's not a necessity. The are inexplicable power that manifest things, like Gunha's ability.

mikoto doesnt have a connection like accel and kakine simply because she is like Worst, her evolving into the lvl of them is like Worsts 'hacking' into the network, forced and of course partially incomplete.

We don't even know if she would have ever power-up without that external method. Accel was already a monster when he was 9 (probably even Kakine was), Mikoto was only a Level 1-2. From the beginnign of the story she didn't improved her power and she reach Level 5 two years ago. It's doubtful she will ever reach them, and therefore obtain that connection. More importantly, that connection is not limited to them having DM wings, it's only a proof of the conenction. For example they are a duality of destruction and production, they have similar epithets, one of them control the organic world and the other the inorganic. They forma duality in a lot of different ways, so even if she absurdly reached their strenght as espers she wouldn't have that connection.

''Yeah, its true, if the WW would made out of something different they would have different parameters >_<. I know that accel isnt a lvl6, what i wanted to say was that at some point accel could lose the AIM/DM properties of his other powers since god is over science/magic, and accel reaches a equal lvl (pure speculation from me).''

I agree, but this change have not occured yet.

than how did rikou find espers if not for the AIM fields?

You knoww, all espers emits AIM, not only those with DM. You need to reread Rikou's article. And vol 15. And 22. And NT6.

Furthermore, didnt she change muginos out-of-control aim field so that she could control her ability again?

Takitsubo affected Mugino's Personal Reality reversing the flow of her AIM. She didn't and she can't take direct control of the electrons exactly like she didn't and she can't whith DM (the matter, not the power). It's something completely different.