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  • http://toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Miracle

    the page states that "miracles as the third force alongside magic and science"

    http://toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Imagine_Breaker

    Touma´s ability is not esp or magic,

    can his ability be a embodiment of that third force?

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    • I think miracles are with every main hero in a man-center media ( films, Japan's and America's ). Touma was enhanced by miracles because he is in the position of main hero. //making sounds like Deadpool.

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    • A miracle is a violation of the laws of nature; and as a firm and unalterable experience has established these laws, the proof against a miracle, from the very nature of the fact, is as entire as any argument from experience can possibly be imagined.
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    • That makes sense, because we can't explain Touma's Imagine Breaker. It's something outside of the norm of the two sides, not magic nor scientific.

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    • this is my speculation about Touma's Imagine Breaker.. ( i cant sleep thinking about this ).. my theory is that, IB DOES NOT negate supernatural power but rather negate anything that Touma `subconsciously` think as supernatural power.. think like this.. if IB really negate supernatural power *only*.. it should not be able to negate Misaka's Railgun.. as Misaka's Railgun is after she applied her power..the Railgun doesnt need to be feed with electricity continuosly after it is fired ( i don't think this is plot hole ).. That is why Touma cannot negate souls, life force etc becauseTouma never regards those things as supernatural subconsciously.. things like negation speed ( IB cannot negate fast enough, etc ) maybe got affected when Touma subconsciously think that the enemy's attack is too powerful to be negated instantly thus IB cannot negate fast enough... plus with Touma "dense" personality, IB true power cannot be utilized.. what u guys all think?

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    • I think what 203.106.149.78 says can't be right, 'cause it happened too many times Touma was suprised he couldn't negate an attack (better said their side effects). I think (based on what's stated in the LNs) that IB is a power that probably originates from the wish of people to have a something like a backup/failsafe in case they ruin somthing with their magic. Though even if that isn't the case, IB might be connected with the first/original plane of the universe and that's why able to negate everthing that's different from that plane (like ESP and Magic etc) though even that plane might have "natural" supernatural features (like the ley lines) and that's why Touma isn't able to negate them. (And there must be a powersource to create the other planes in the first plane, else the planes Othinus created weren't possible in the first place). Although I think Aleister and some other instances aren't affected by the addition of new planes by Othinus, they either use them for their benefits and/or don't bother and keep continuing their plans.

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    • I could see it happening.

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    • I think IB is more like natural force inside touma arm. index once say how harmonious is IB with the nature as everything that negated by IB return back into world and return into cycle again. as it is differ with both espers and magic as both distort and manipulate reality (in their own way) while IB just return the distorted state back before manipulated/distorted

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    • sorry didn't look at 79.214.212.86 few last sentence

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    • Imagine Breaker is more likely a lock on the power that actually exists within Toumas arm. The IB negates or keeps that exsitance in check and Touma can use that lock to negate other supernatural/superscience things. Remeber that being or other power only appears when his arm is severed which means that it can only appear when imagine breaker isnt around. So someone or something or maybe Touma himself created imagine breaker not a weapon but as a seal on his true power. All power in this universe comes from ones Personal Relaity I dont think its limited to expers it also applies to magicians and imagine breaker corrects that personal relaity and probably relinks it to the true reality then one can assume that Toumas true power might be related to soemthing that exits outside of reality since his arm is linked to the true reality and might keep things that dont exist out of this reality.

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    • We already know from Othinus how Imagine Breaker and World Rejecter are like the Joker card. You can't FULLY/Permanently beat its user unless they stray away from the power(IB or WR)'s Ideal or simply become unworthy of it. Its seems like it(IB or WR) is warping reality making it so that is wielder has a some form of META plot armor. 



      Touma probably escaped death and beat the seamingly unbeatable countless times due to that said



      Maybe that is why Othinus did not want him to gain more fighting skills, so that he remains worthy of Imagine Breaker.



      We all know what happens to 'unworthy people' who wielded Imagine Breaker and World Rejector



      Rensa's arm got blown off



      and Kakeru got sent to a Limbo like world.




      Back on miracle topic here is a random quote:



      Baron Wolfgang von Strucker: This isn't the age of spies. This is not even the age of heroes. This is the age of miracles... and there's nothing more horrifying than a miracle.

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