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  • The preview for NT18 has been released and it is just over a week until the beginning of the battle against Aleister Crowley. With a new light novel volume comes a fair amount of new information to be added to the wiki. As usual, article edits regarding newly released novel content are prohibited until the novel is fully translated. However, there are a number of things which could do with discussion in the meantime. Before we are permitted to add stuff from NT18, it'd be a good idea to discuss and plan some of the additions that are going to be carried out and get a rough idea of what is going to be done, how it's going to be done and who is interested in doing it (so we don't inadvertently thwart one another's efforts (after all, it can be annoying when you put a fair amount into something only for it to have turned out to have been for naught), and can cooperate to achieve the optimum result).

    This thread is being started nine days before the actual release, so the amount of information we're going to be dealing with isn't fully known. It will be updated as time progresses and thing become clearer. At the moment, the visible stuff will be what we know based on the preview, with the other stuff concealed or withheld.

    List of existing subjects in NT18 requiring revision and expansion:

    • Unified Story Timeline (Aleister Crowley's past, NT18 events, note differences with history, Battle of Blythe Road)(Interested contributors: Inept)(1900/1904 noted)
    • Story Arcs (Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Kamijou Touma (Chronology)
    • Tsuchimikado Motoharu (Chronology (TSP))
    • Karasuma Fran (Chronology (TSP), Abilities (tweak - note spare balloon))
    • Tsuchimikado Maika (Chronology (TSP), Abilities (Ch3))
    • Aleister Crowley (Personality, Background, Chronology, Abilities (tweaks))(all potential versions to remain on this article)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Windowless Building (Appearance, Principles, Background, Chronology (minor tweaks, non-NT18 revision))(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Thelema (Etymology, Principles (True Will (tweaks), Other (tweaks/expand?), associated terms/quotes), Background, Chronology (minor tweaks), Usage (Coronzon, True Will/Thelema, 93)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Golden Dawn (Principles, Background (TSP, tweaks), Members (minor tweak))(Interested contributors: OH&S, Herald, Inept)
    • Immortality (Principles, Known Immortals)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Index Librorum Prohibitorum (Chronology (TSP))
    • Othinus (Chronology (TSP))(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Sphynx (Chronology)
    • Kamijou Residence (Chronology (TSP))
    • Anti-Skill (tweak, active again)
    • Judgment (tweak, active again)
    • Blasting Rod (Principles (minor tweaks), Background, Chronology (minor tweak))(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Aiwass (Background (revise), Chronology (TSP), Abilities (revise))(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Misaka Mikoto (Chronology (TSP), Abilities (minor tweaks regarding Liquid Proof Railgun and mental barrier))
    • Shokuhou Misaki (Chronology (TSP), Abilities (minor tweak regarding liquid manipulation))
    • Headband girl (Chronology)
    • Laura Stuart (Chronology (removal of NT18)(Interested contributors: OH&S, Inept)(Note: This will require a bit of discussion and planning beforehand, given the high spoiler nature of the subject in question and a certain room for assumption - DO NOT MOVE, RENAME OR TWEAK IN THE MEANTIME)(tabs/warning implemented)
    • Academy City (Principles/Background, Chronology, restructure)
    • Anti-Art Attachment (Principles (circle, obedience/autonomous movement), Chronology)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Tarot (Principles)(Interested contributors: Inept)
      • Thoth Tarot (Principles, disambiguate/redirect due to Ch4)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Reading Thoth 78 (restructure based on information in Ch4)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Imagine Breaker (major revision and restructure)(Note: Risk of assumption)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Aleister's Plan (major revision and restructure)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Grimoire (principles, minor list revision (Golden Bough, Thoth Tarot))
    • London
    • Curse (Principles (minor tweaks)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Kabbalah (Major revision)(Principles (rewrite), Background)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Hermeticism (minor tweaks and Principles/Background expansion)
    • Egyptian Mythology
    • Greek Mythology
    • Tokiwadai Middle School (restructure, Chronology (TSP))
    • Magic (Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Phase (Interested contributors: Inept)
    • Magic-related falsities (Blasting Rod)(Interested contributors: Inept)
    • School District 7
    • School District 11
    • Endymion (Referenced in Chapter 4-1)
    • Aneri (restructure)
    • Anna Sprengel (Background, Trivia)(minor tweaks)
    • Automatic Writing
    • Magician
    • Pure World (note regarding Aiwass)
    • Telesma
    • Demon (minor tweaks)
    • Arthurian legends/Celtic Mythology (Tristan and Isolde reference (Ch3))
    • Witch (tradition/method/group reference (Ch3/Ep), witch hunts/traits, restructure)
    • Alchemy (Westcott noted to have brought it back by Mathers)
    • Hula Hoop (tweaks)
    • United Kingdom (Principles/Background (tweak), Chronology)
    • Australia (Principles/Background (tweak/expand), Chronology)
    • Canada (Principles/Background (minor tweak/expand), Chronology)
    • Astrology (Note: GD 2-2, Tokiwadai 3-3)
    • Accelerator (Chronology, Abilities (minor tweak regarding Aiwass))
    • Hamazura Shiage (Chronology)

    Illustrations:

    • Spread: Touma/Index/Othinus/Tsuchimikado Motoharu & Maika/Fran/Headband girl, Mikoto/Misaki, Windowless Building, Blythe Road
    • Contents (used as source for profile image of Mina Mathers)
    • Maika about to be stabbed by the shadow sword
    • Mikoto & Misaki (restaurant/café)
    • Touma & Mina
    • Aleister's family (used as source for profile images for Rose and Lilith)
    • Touma & Aleister
    • Touma & Mina (RT78), Aleister with the Blasting Rod & Aiwass
    • Coronzon revealed (used as source for profile image for Coronzon)

    atwiki, R-S

    List of new subjects in NT18 to be added to existing articles or given new ones:

    Arc Name Suggestions: (bear in mind, at present the full nature of the arc is not fully known)(poll concluded)

    • Silver Star Arc: 0
    • Karma Arc: 0
    • Aleister Crowley Arc (temporary placeholder): 4
    • Windowless Building Arc: 0
    • Windowless Building Siege Arc: 0
    • Golden Dawn Arc: 0

    If you have any suggestions for the lists, or any ideas/plans regarding NT18's additions, please suggest/mention them below. Suggestions for the poll regarding NT18's arc name would also be appreciated when the nature of the arc becomes clear (please note that this time it is going to be a manual poll so keep an eye open for when the time comes).

    Also, if you are interested in doing some of the NT18 work or have made plans to (or think you will do some spontaneously), please let us know below so notes can be made on the list and others made aware, in order to avoid any inconvenience.

    Note: One other minor request and I'm sorry if I'm being a bit intrusive here; if it's OK, could any contributors making NT18 edits please try to avoid rushing ahead, check your work when you submit it and avoid being too flowery/purple with your summaries. Apologies if this comes across a bit irritating, but it means less work and fewer problems for others later and it would be greatly appreciated.

    Additionally, please be aware that there are areas in the novel where things are not necessarily how they may seem and where people may be prone to assumption. Please exercise care when dealing with these areas.

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    Next: NT19 Plans

    Note: Until translation is complete, please use the spoiler block template to hide discussion on subjects outside the preview:

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    Note (11/08/2017): Arc name poll in progress. Please state choice below. (closed as of 03/09/2017)

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    • It would appear that we have a lot to work on and a few problems to deal with.

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    • Of the recent twist in the latest novel, should this wiki implement something akin to what the Attack on Titan wiki is doing? Like when one enters a character page the entire article is blurred out and a small option is shown telling you that they are about to visit an article with massive spoilers? I mean, it is the biggest twist in the Raildex franchise. I think the little warning in the main page that there'll be massive spoilers ahead could be easily unnoticed. People also once whined about the spoilerific nature of this wiki so perhaps it is about time to amend that.

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    • Regarding that particular twist, while no edits will be made to NT18-related articles until the volume is translated anyway, edits for that particular subject and mentions in other articles will need to be fully restricted until we've had a proper discussion as to all of the information and possibilities present, the options we have available to us and the actions we are to take. Another possibility we have considered is splitting off the spoiler-related information into its own article (with an access tab mechanism which conceals and warns of the spoiler).

      Edit: It's time.

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    • I have a feeling I have bitten off more than I can chew. That Golden Dawn article will be the most difficult article to write as it will require all of NT18 Chapter 3, Volume SP and every instance Golden Dawn or cabal is mentioned in the series. That might be beyond me.

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    • I will assist you as you require, OH&S. With regards to the Golden Dawn, I was considering making a category for the many articles and subjects connected to it. With regards to the magicians who were a part of it, for the ones which were only briefly referenced I was thinking about just giving them redirects and information within the texts of the other GD articles. Do you concur?

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    • I concur. Its kinda like all those girls in the Kamisato Faction who were named once but were given no further characterization and individual actions.

      Also agree with the categories.

      I think since everyone has an interest in the article it might be best to split up the research for it into 3 more manageable parts to work on. Thoughts?

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    • I think that would make it easier to work on. Do you want me to look up the references we'll require? Also, are there any particular areas which you are interested in?

      P.S. No mask and kilt for the Battle of Blythe Road it seems.

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    • Not sure right now.

      I have to confess, the history of the Golden Cabal in NT18 was the most difficult to understand given how complex the talks between Mathers, Benett, Westcott and Aleister got. I might need to reread that entire chapter a few more times to fully comprehend it.

      But doing obscure things is specialty of mine so I can gather all of the Golden Dawn/Cabal/Stella Matutina references throughout the entire series.

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    • I am annoyed that Coronzon was without an h in the novel, but what can you do.

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    • List updated with a couple of subjects which were missing. Has anyone spotted any others?

      Edit: Post-volume poll inserted for reference purposes.

      We've had time to take in the events of NT18. Which part(s) of the novel did you like the most?
       
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      The poll was created at 12:06 on June 6, 2017, and so far 140 people voted.
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    • Any further suggestions for the arc name selection? Any further input regarding the NT18 work in general?

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    • If no one has any more suggestions for the arc name poll, let us begin. Remember, it is a manual poll this time so please state your choice below.

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    • Aleister Crowley Arc
      Windowless Building Arc
      Golden Dawn/Cabal Arc
      Silver Star Arc

      That's all I can think of. And we still don't know if NT19 is part of the same arc.

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    • Indeed. We'll bear that in mind as we proceed.

      For the time being, which one is your pick, OH&S?

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    • Aleister Crowley Arc.

      NT18 is the Aleister volume.

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    • OH&S wrote:
      Aleister Crowley Arc
      Windowless Building Arc
      Golden Dawn/Cabal Arc
      Silver Star Arc

      That's all I can think of. And we still don't know if NT19 is part of the same arc.

      I mean, it's sort of implied that it's probably part of the same arc. Maybe it'd be more apt to call it the start of the Coronzon arc or Aleister Crowley arc? I mean, in one volume it made him my second favorite character in the series after 42 volumes of him just being mysterious. NT 18 was obviously practically mostly about him. IDK I suppose it'll be obvious on what to name it after NT 19 comes out, maybe give it a temp name for now? Aleister Crowley arc should be fine for now.

      Also, unfortunately I'm too lazy to help you write the article, but I can edit/fact-check add stuff I find that isn't there are y'all write it. It doesn't have to be perfect the first time you know.

      I'd help out more, but I'm devoting most of my efforts to my own research to increase my portfolio for grad school apps and working on generating my own ideas/characters/plot for a professional fiction series I want to write eventually ... so I don't have as much time to devote to wiki editing even when I'm relatively free (out of college/no job/just graduated/sort of in gap year right now lol).


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    • Dniv wrote:

      I mean, it's sort of implied that it's probably part of the same arc. Maybe it'd be more apt to call it the start of the Coronzon arc or Aleister Crowley arc? I mean, in one volume it made him my second favorite character in the series after 42 volumes of him just being mysterious. NT 18 was obviously practically mostly about him. IDK I suppose it'll be obvious on what to name it after NT 19 comes out, maybe give it a temp name for now? Aleister Crowley arc should be fine for now.

      Also, unfortunately I'm too lazy to help you write the article, but I can edit/fact-check add stuff I find that isn't there are y'all write it. It doesn't have to be perfect the first time you know.

      I'd help out more, but I'm devoting most of my efforts to my own research to increase my portfolio for grad school apps and working on generating my own ideas/characters/plot for a professional fiction series I want to write eventually ... so I don't have as much time to devote to wiki editing even when I'm relatively free (out of college/no job/just graduated/sort of in gap year right now lol).

      Understood, Dniv. You focus on what you need to focus on. Good luck with your endeavour.


      OK, that's three votes for Aleister Crowley Arc so far. If anyone else wishes to cast a vote, please do so below. Planning to conclude poll after August 25th.

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    • I'm having second thoughts on Aleister Crowley Arc. While NT18 does cover Aleister himself, it doesn't completely cover everything in NT18. But since it would serve as a placeholder until we find out about the plot of NT19 and subsequent volumes, I guess we could go for that for the meantime.

      My vote goes for the Aleister Crowley Arc.

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    • That is what we had in mind, just like we had intended for NT14 previously.

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    • Last chance for those who haven't voted in the NT18 arc name poll yet. Planning to conclude poll at 00:00 UTC, 03/09/2017.

      Edit: Poll concluded. Aleister Crowley Arc selected.

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    • Inept Wiki User wrote:

      Dniv wrote:

      I mean, it's sort of implied that it's probably part of the same arc. Maybe it'd be more apt to call it the start of the Coronzon arc or Aleister Crowley arc? I mean, in one volume it made him my second favorite character in the series after 42 volumes of him just being mysterious. NT 18 was obviously practically mostly about him. IDK I suppose it'll be obvious on what to name it after NT 19 comes out, maybe give it a temp name for now? Aleister Crowley arc should be fine for now.

      Also, unfortunately I'm too lazy to help you write the article, but I can edit/fact-check add stuff I find that isn't there are y'all write it. It doesn't have to be perfect the first time you know.

      I'd help out more, but I'm devoting most of my efforts to my own research to increase my portfolio for grad school apps and working on generating my own ideas/characters/plot for a professional fiction series I want to write eventually ... so I don't have as much time to devote to wiki editing even when I'm relatively free (out of college/no job/just graduated/sort of in gap year right now lol).

      Understood, Dniv. You focus on what you need to focus on. Good luck with your endeavour.


      OK, that's three votes for Aleister Crowley Arc so far. If anyone else wishes to cast a vote, please do so below. Planning to conclude poll after August 25th.

      Thanks, I'll be sure to try to contribute from time to time when I can though! (Especially if I like NT 19 as much as I did NT 18 lol.)

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