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    The new slider is almost ready! With NT22R and the Accelerator anime just around the corner, the time has come for everyone to provide feedback on the new slider I have been working on. If the above preview's dimensions look wonky, view it in its original dimensions here. EDIT: It was wonky; use the above link.

    What I'm looking for:

    1. Options for the welcome message on the home slide. Currently says "Dive into the World of Index". An alternate suggestion from me: "Welcome to Academy City" Give me suggestions!
    2. Feedback on the choice of tabs and article links included on the slides. In particular the World Slide and Characters slide deserve extra scrutiny. I need to know which article links can be cut, which should be included and whether the way I've presented it looks intimidating/difficult to navigate through for visitors to the wiki.
    3. Suggestions for slide background images. If you must; but I'm actually pretty happy with what I've come up with. But I'll be fair and consider. Images are finalized.

    Welcome message suggestions:

    • World & Setting - Current
    1. Dive into the World of Index
    2. Welcome to Academy City
    3. Dive into the Toaru World
    4. Begin your Studies Here
    5. Academy City Welcomes You

    EDIT: In addition to the slider, I'm also tweaking how Template:Introduction will look once the slider is put into action. You can find the current version and draft version in my sandbox for viewing.

    Feel free to provide feedback on this as well.

    EDIT: New slider and Introduction now active on front page!

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    • Look pretty good, just need adjustment to the images for manga slide and characters slide. Welcome message could be changed "Welcome to the World of Index" or "Welcome to Toaru Universe".

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    • How about 'A World where Science and Magic cross paths...'?

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    • Too direct 

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    • Looks good to me. I think that "Dive into the World of Index" isn't specific enough, since there's also Railgun and Accelerator. Taking inspiration from one of the above suggestions, maybe "Dive into the Toaru World"?

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    • Kaysuami wrote: Look pretty good, just need adjustment to the images for manga slide and characters slide.

      Please elaborate on what adjustments need to be made. Its not immediately apparent to me.

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      All welcome message suggestions will be listed in top post.

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    • The one of the image for the manga slide is cut off. For the characters slide the image looks fine.

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    • Kaysuami wrote: The one of the image for the manga slide is cut off. For the characters slide the image looks fine.

      I see. Thats actually not specifically an image issue. A key feature of the slider is that it automatically resizes depending on the window size. The full size of the image is 860px * 450px; and perfectly fits the biggest slider size. On smaller sized windows, the image doesnt fit the resized slider.

      Its more noticeable for the Manga slide background because its 4 images stitched together and Hokaze ends up getting partially cropped out in smaller resizes. With that said, I havent found an adequate replacement image that covers the 4 main manga series.

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    • Would be nice if some of the lists are bulleted.

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    • Herald of meridian wrote: Would be nice if some of the lists are bulleted.

      They actually are bulleted in the code but I think the CSS or JS masks them in the output.

      I can look into modifying that if you want?

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    • While I can't easily make the bullet points visible on slider, I have added thin borders to separate the columns in the World slide if that helps. Good or Bad?

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    • OH&S wrote:

      Kaysuami wrote: The one of the image for the manga slide is cut off. For the characters slide the image looks fine.

      I see. Thats actually not specifically an image issue. A key feature of the slider is that it automatically resizes depending on the window size. The full size of the image is 860px * 450px; and perfectly fits the biggest slider size. On smaller sized windows, the image doesnt fit the resized slider.

      Its more noticeable for the Manga slide background because its 4 images stitched together and Hokaze ends up getting partially cropped out in smaller resizes. With that said, I havent found an adequate replacement image that covers the 4 main manga series.

      Well, do you need to put 4 main manga series in one image?

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    • Kaysuami wrote: Well, do you need to put 4 main manga series in one image?

      I guess I don't really need it to. Its just, what image can I use? The different manga series rarely share an image together and the ones that do are the right fit for the slide. That means sticking to one manga in particular. Was that what you were suggesting?

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    • Yes, why not stick to Railgun manga instead of craming 4 manga into 1 image

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    • ^Fair enough. This was a quick fix as I had the image on hand. Is that better?

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    • Good enough

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    • To be honest, I don't think so.

      With regards to the borders you put in for the columns on the World slide OH&S, I think they have improved things. Still compiling feedback (hopefully there won't be another computer freeze), but a minor question regarding reasoning before then; is Maika in the Fall section rather than Academy City to even up the columns?

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    • No. I put her there because that was the arc in which she had a major role. All the times before that, her role was minor. That said, it is a bit strange for an OT character to be placed there. Might consider moving her to the OT section.

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    • In addition to the slider, I'm also tweaking how Template:Introduction will look once the slider is put into action. You can find the current version and draft version in my sandbox for viewing.

      Feel free to provide feedback on this as well.

      I am looking to finalize the slider and introduction templates before NT22R releases.

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    • I think I should replace the image for the characters section with something from Haimura or Chuuya.  Like the SS1/SS2 covers (pretty sure there are textless versions from his rainbow colors art books) or the cover for the 100th chapter of the Index manga. Anime designs really stick out. As for the anime section, I guess you can use the key art from the Accel anime but maybe there's something anime-related like key art or still frame out there that have most of the cast, like the last frame of ROAR with a bunch of characters.

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    • I'm not going to budge from the Anime slide image. It was deliberately chosen because of the upcoming Accelerator anime. I will switch it over when Railgun 3 begins airing.

      As for the character's slide... ehh. I'm not in favor of having any more Haimura illustrations on the slider; we've already got the World Slide Preview and the Novels slide. The SS covers in particular are from a decade ago so I'm not considering them at all; too old. The Chapter 100 image is a fair option but the Imaginary Fest promotional image is more modern (and has more recent characters on it). I guess there's a bit of my own personal preference there.

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    • No fair, man!

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    • I believe you've already been warned about unproductive short replies, Joseph.

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    • Is there any place to add Toaru Majutsu no Index Radio Drama?

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    • Perhaps with the Archives?

      With regards to the Manga Slide, I think the previous image worked better than the current one, however I'm not certain whether the cropping I'm seeing is the same as for other people (when I last looked at the previous version on my end, only Astral was affected by the cropping).

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    • Changes I've made:

      • Moved Maika back to the Academy City tab. It just makes more sense for her to be there rather than in Fall of Academy City.
      • Moved Frenda to the Railgun tab as she had a more prominent role there.
      • Added Radio Drama to the Series tab in the Novel Slide. It didn't quite fit anywhere else and was a precursor to the actual anime so putting it in the Series tab makes sense.
      • Reverted the Manga Slide background to the previous image. I just wasn't happy with the Misaka pic by itself. So even if on smaller windows Hokaze is not entirely in view, that's fine by me.
        • @Inept: You're definitely seeing the same cropping issue that everyone else will see on a similar window size. I've decided that I'm not too fussed about that issue.

      Lastly, I will be finalizing and replacing Template:Slider and Template:Introduction in roughly 24 to 27 hours from now so its ready in time for NT22R and so that I can clear out Template:One Row Test for other projects to work on. If there are any further changes or feedback to be made, this thread will still be open for the mean time as the crucial feedback that I was waiting for has yet to be delivered (not that I'm rushing you, Inept; take your time).

      EDIT: Added a characters tab in the World Slide; its a much briefer version than the Characters slide. Also looking to finalize the welcome message. I've given some trials and ruled some out (See top post). It currently says "Begin Your Studies Here". But I'm thinking of just defaulting back to the first one.

      EDIT: Changed welcome message to generic "World & Setting".

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      Sorry for keeping you waiting, OH&S. Here's my feedback on the slider (most of it seems fine, several of my questions/comments are about reasoning and thoughts rather than problems)(apologies if this is a bit fuzzy due to tiredness):

      • OVERALL: The slider as a whole is very good and doesn't have any major problems - most of my queries and issues are fairly minor. Slider images at the time of writing fit fine.
        • We've already discussed and understand how column balance is desired and I've considered this while thinking about certain bits of my feedback.
        • As already mentioned, I did have a bit of problem with the pure column approach in places at first, but the dividing lines helped to remedy it.
        • One thing that I was thinking for the media slides is that for the media headers, we could tweak them to remove the brackets with the media type (seeing as it is a bit redundant, given its position in the specific slide)(e.g. on the NOVELS slide, Toaru Majutsu no Index (light novel) to Toaru Majutsu no Index)(Edit: Sorry, didn't notice the quick link)
        • For several tabs on the slides, I've listed subjects from the current selection which I consider key items (vital), as in regardless of tweaks, they should not be removed from the list. This doesn't mean that I consider the other items unimportant, only that they could be removed from the respective list if really necessary.
        • I haven't thought about it too much and it doesn't seem a problem at present, but what are your thoughts regarding spoilers and the slider?
      • HOME: The Home Slide is good to go. 'World & Setting' fits fine.
      • WORLD & SETTING: This is the main area of review.
        • Setting & For New Users are ready as far as I'm concerned. Special seems OK to go with current subjects (generally agree with selection, microscopic uncertainty for FK)
        • I'm not sure about the inclusion of the newly added Characters tab
        • The main tabs I'm focusing on are Organizations/Locations/Magic/Science (mostly the latter two)(still writing this bit)
          • Organizations:
            • I agree with the condensed Dark Side link as there are too many individual factions to have separate ones. I also agree with Gremlin covering both groups and Magic Side covering the Magic Cabals. We've already discussed the Kamijou Faction's position and we're both fine with that.
            • I understand the reasoning behind the Russian Orthodox Church not being included (which we discussed earlier), though I have wondered about it.
            • I have also wondered if we should make a slight tweak to the order of the UK list or not (perhaps moving the Royals/Knights up, which are currently below Amakusa (P.S. presume disregarding pre-V7 as we're far past that point now (perfectly fine by me))).
          • Locations:
            • I agree with having the two category links covering countries and other locations (minor side note - was thinking that if the left column ended up longer from a tweak, then Vatican or Elizalina can be brought in to balance the columns).
            • Although I understand the exclusion of homes and dorms, I was thinking that the Kamijou Residence could be added to the list, given its prominence.
            • I agree with general individual subject selection and feel the following individual AC subjects are vital (i.e. definitely not to be removed): A Certain High School, Tokiwadai Middle School, Windowless Building, Heaven Canceller's Hospital.
            • I also agree with the City Map, Schools and Locations general links under AC.
            • Still compiling...
          • Magic:
            • I think we should probably include Spiritual Item in one of the lists (Principles or Terminology, slightly leaning towards former).
            • I agree with the inclusion of Saint as the representative example of symbolic/magically-gifted individuals and Telesma as the representative of phase energy.
            • I agree with the general individual subject selection for Principles/Terminology and feel the following individual subjects are vital (i.e. definitely not to be removed): Magic, Idol Theory, Infection Magic, Magicians, Mana, Magic Circle, Magic Cabal, Magic God, Power of the World, Grimoire, Temple, Telesma, Saint, People-Clearing Field, Angel/Demon.
            • I was thinking about tweaking the order for Magic Formats. Order aside however, out of the current selection, I think Christianity, Norse Mythology, Thelema have staying priority then Kabbalah (due to upcoming), then Tarot (due to upcoming) and then Onmyoudo (I was wondering if we should keep this or switch for one of the other Eastern formats). Given prominence, I was thinking about perhaps adding either Modern Western Magic or Golden-style Magic as the first item on the format list.
            • Wondering about minor reordering for Principles/Terminology
            • With regards to thinking about non-key item candidates, briefly considered Soul (considered possibility of Magic/Special), Magical life forms (considered in place of the multitude and category (which also covers non-magic creatures), however I don't feel it would work and it doesn't really cover those) and God (bit of an overlap), however I don't feel they are needed.
          • Science:
            • I agree with the Other selection with the Abilities, Experiments and Technology general links.
            • I understand why the Technology section was excluded, though I feel that we could perhaps tweak its presence up a bit (perhaps include a Hard Science or Bank link sub-bullet point under the AC tech link, which would also balance the columns), given its part in Science besides Espers.
            • I agree with the general individual subject selection and feel the following individual subjects are vital (i.e. definitely not to be removed): Science, Personal Reality, AIM, Espers, Curriculum, SYSTEM, System Scan, Level 5, Gemstone, Parameter List, Imaginary Number District.
            • Wondering about minor reordering for Principles/Terminology (perhaps move Body Crystal down and Esper up above Personal Reality?)
            • With regards to non-key item candidates, briefly considered AIM Diffusion Field Resonance and Brainwave Network, though noted a bit of an overlap with existing subjects.
      • NOVELS
        • Bracket stuff mentioned before.
        • The structure for this slide and its tabs looks good, though I think the columns on the first tab could do with a minor adjustment (perhaps move the columns below the header)
        • With regards to the earlier parody stories suggestion, so far as I know, it is fully covered by the existing short stories link, so we're OK there.
      • MANGA
        • Bracket stuff mentioned before.
        • Semi-related Note: Considering Full Course Arc article.
      • ANIME
        • Bracket stuff mentioned before.
        • Are we really keeping Cloverfield?
      • CHARACTERS
        • With regards to the earlier discussion regarding the slide image, I agree with your reasoning and with keeping the current image.
        • Although I wouldn't have gone with the arc-based format, I think you've done it well and got a good balance already, so I think we should go with this one.
        • I have considered the question of spoilers under Main Characters, though I personally don't think it is a problem for the most part (the choice of tab name helps).
        • A couple of minor things concerning the Fall of Academy City tab; given her role in the arc, we could perhaps add the Female Knight (it would also balance the columns), and there's probably enough room for Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers in full.

      I've made the initial post without the completed Organizations/Locations/Magic/Science bit, in case I'm unable to finish it before bed, so the rest doesn't get held up. Will amend post once finished.

      Edit: Going to bed. Will finish remainder later in the morning.

      Edit: Rushing to finish remainder.

      Edit: Going to wrap up compilation. Might tweak wording to improve clarity, but more or less done.

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    • OH&S, while I might change the wording to try and make my thoughts clearer, I'm declaring my feedback post largely finished. Most of it is fairly minor stuff. Sorry for the trouble.

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    • Just a brief response while I'm working through everything (will provide a massive update later):

      • Leaving UK Organizations order as is for now. The order makes a kind of intuitive sense such that Necessarius and Amakusa Church are under the umbrella of the Anglican Church. And the Golden Style Cabals are together as well.
        • That said, if you have an alternate order you would like to suggest, I am open to changing it.
      • I'm a bit iffy on including Kamijou Residence as I can't say that there's anything particularly noteworthy about it. It really is just a random student apartment that Kamijou lives in that some significant characters have visited in the past. I can't really call it a major landmark in the story or Academy City aside from it being Kamijou's home. Though I guess it is one of the sanctuaries that Kamachi referred to. I dunno...
      • Regarding Magic Format order: Leaving as is for now. I tried to order it by the order in which the format became prominent/important in the story... at least to the best of my memory.
        • Like the UK organization order, I am open to changing the order/adding other links based on your suggestion.
      • Regarding spoilers: its the Coronzon problem again. Template:Introduction has a spoiler warning attached to it. I think its a fair assumption that if you visit this site, you'll get spoiled.
      • I guess the Characters Tab is a bit redundant but its like an even more streamlined version of the Characters slide. I'm satisfied with its inclusion and chosen linked pages.
      • You also mentioned minor reordering for Principles/Terminology in Magic and Science. Like I've said above, I'm open to it provided you have ideas.

      Anything I haven't mentioned, I'm currently working through.

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    • Have done a bit of fiddling about with one of my test templates, but I've realized I probably should have asked about the columns before experimenting. (Note: The italicization I've applied to several bits is for planning purposes only)

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    • ^For the moment, I have finalised the template and am about to add it to the front page. After I have done so, tomorrow I will take a look at your test template and modify the slider as needed.

      Quick notes:

      • Added Spiritual Item below Magic Circle.
      • Added Bank and Hard Science below Academy City Tech
      • Moved Body Crystal down one but the whole section (and others) will probably be reordered based on your template.
      • Media page links left as is; i.e. (manga) left as is. Because they are links to different pages (as you have seemed to have discovered).
      • Removed Cloverfield link. LOL. I completely forgot to remove the link beforehand.
      • Added Female Knight (though I'm feeling unsure about her and Madame Horos).
      • Changed Samuel Mathers to S. L. MacGregor Mathers as his full name is still a mouthful and there is at least one other place on the web that refers to the real Mathers in this condensed form.
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    • Understood, OH&S.

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    • Slider and Introduction have been updated and are now active on the front page!

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    • Cool!

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    • When I click a subsection the pure white letters (that have a dropdown shadow) look jarring/hurt the eyes on the bright backgrounds. It would be good if the backgrounds are darkened/dimmed too like the side menu in the slider but not as dark, the "home page" of the slider looks and works fine.

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    • Doesn't seem to be as much of a problem on this end.

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    • That'sa good point. I hope.

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